Somebody has to show Parker love...

[EVAY]

I thought we had it in the bag, but Kawhi missing that free throw isn't what ruined it IMO. Parker and Danny Green had a 2 on 1 situation against Ray Allen at one crucial point, and instead of passing the ball to Danny Green, Parker opted to hold it, prompting Allen to coral him and purposefully foul him. Sadly, Parker did in fact go 1 of 2 at the line during that session.

I think that's what killed it. That and Pop leaving Timmy on the bench when Bron went for the hero 3 shot and missed, only to have Bosh rebound it. The rest...well, we all know.

Do you even realize that you specifically gave THREE reasons why the Spurs lost the 5 point lead that Tony Parker had given them in that game.

So it is hardly on one person alone, is it? You wanted him (in hindsight) to give it to someone else after he had been scoring the last five points that put us ahead? If someone else had scored those 5 points and Tony didn't give it to that person, he would have been crucified for not giving the ball to the guy with the hot hand.

I'm not even going to mention that it was Manu who went one for two in the last seconds because all of this is so f***ing TEDIOUS. It was a TEAM loss, after a team that was expected to never get out of the west got as far as almost taking the Championship.

[EVAY]

Some of you guys might want to take a look at the local newspaper this morning at what Pop had to say about Tp's play last night. Popovich: "Tony was just spectacular, and it was more his defense than his offense. He really got into those guys, (guard Brian) Roberts especially in the second half. He did a fantastic job getting over and getting in front of him, making his shots tough. Just a fantastic job. On offense he ran it for us. Either he tried to score for us or he got it to people."

I have started spending much more time on SB nation than here because there is less hatred displayed for team members there than here. You guys are destroying this forum for real fans with the way you trash team members, and that includes those who hate on Manu, Tony and Pop.

[superbigtime]

Sometimes it can be a little annoying when Parker feels he has to keep the ball and dribbles too long and takes a lower percentage shot, but he makes so many tough shots. Tony is the in man.

[Mikeanaro]

Wow, from this point of view RoyRay made some nice footwork

[313]

MVParker hasn't take us anywhere. Choked against the Grizzlies in 2011. Choked against the Thunder in 2012. Choked against the Heat in 2013. Point guards don't lead teams to championships and Parker's proof of this. We had a shot last year thanks to a resurgent Tim Duncan.

Lol there have been multiple pg that took their teams to championships smh urine idiot

It's underwhelming compared to what his direct rivals were doing that same post-season:

Paul averaged 22/11/7 on 54% shooting in the first round in 2011. Rondo averaged 19/12/7 on 50% in the first round that year. They scored efficiently AND created for their teammates.

Story of Parker's career. Play like an efficient badass in the regular season(.551 TS%) then the bed when you have to play against playoff level defenses(.516 TS%). Compare that to Paul who's efficiency doesn't drop from reg season to post-season.

neither of the point guards you mentioned won a championship that year and neither of those point guards have a finals MVP.


Your takes are trash breh.

[Diego20]

You should read better.

The OP isn't bashing Manu. It's saying that Manu is more loved than Tony.

It's true that Manu is more loved/liked than Tony and you can't say it's because he has had a significant more important contribution to Spurs this past decade.

Reasons why Manu is more liked are quite obvious:
- Manu is more fun to watch play for a lot of people.
- Manu is a more likable people with a more likable personality.
- Manu speaks Spanish.

I see no reason to clsoe this thread unless it turns into an insult contest between Manu's and Tony's fans.

And the most important thing, Manu pass the ball.

[look_at_g_shred]

So are we saying the theory about Parker's slow start was coasting? Or simply tired?

[313]

So are we saying the theory about Parker's slow start was coasting? Or simply tired?

Maybe it was just a slow start

Timmy had a slow start too

[Bruno]

And the most important thing, Manu pass the ball.

Whatever...

[dallasmaverickslose]

This guy is shooting over 50% and dumbasses on ST call him a chucker. Dude shows up every game in the 4th quarter bailing the team out. When Manu has a good game, people on here "pop one" but when Parker has good games they "turn the cheek" the other way. Just because he's not latino, people sleep on him. I bet that dork with the Kanye pic wont show up tonight lol.

Here's a tread to appreciate the greatness of Tony Parker.

Never see "Church of Tony Parker" get bumped, tbh.

You ever going to show Manu some love?

[EVAY]

You ever going to show Manu some love?

Why does someone who shows some love to one necessarily have to show hatred toward the other? It is irrational!!!!!

I prefer watching Manu to watching Tony. But I despise the hatred shown to Tony on this forum by folks who seem to live in a zero-sum world in which preference for one player automatically involves trashing the other, or waiting breathlessly in each game for the 'one-you-have-chosen-to-hate' does something that seemingly affords an opportunity for a GOTCHA moment, exclaiming..SEE...SEE...there is (insert Manu having a turnover or Tony missing a basket while someone else on the team was open) - that's what he ALWAYS does and that is why he lost us the 6th game of last year.

Personally, I am in favor of the moderators suspending posting privileges for anyone who calls Tony a hero-baller or calls Manu a turnobili. Or maybe just suspend the privileges for bringing up games 6 or 7 of the Finals series last year period!!

[hater]

Personally, I am in favor of the moderators suspending posting privileges for anyone who calls Tony a hero-baller or calls Manu a turnobili. Or maybe just suspend the privileges for bringing up games 6 or 7 of the Finals series last year period!!

thankfully free speech is exercised in this forums, at least for now.

People need to hear and learn what happened in the past. Manu cost us the championship and game 6 was the biggest collapse of a sports team in the history of mankind.

by your logic, should we go ahead and erase 911 and the Holocaust from the history books as well?

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop, Manu, Parker and bad luck led to the collapse in games 6 and 7, tbh..there's no need for the usual war between Parker and Ginobili fans, they both deserve a large amount of blame for the collapse, tbh..

[cd98]

Man, we need to get past Game 6/7. Winning an NBA le requires luck. Don't forget that Robert Horry rimmed out a game winning three against us in 2003 that would have dramatically changed that series. That same Robert Horry hit a key three pointer in 2005 to get a key win in Detroit. Game 6 was not about players losing the game. The Spurs fought hard. Yes, they missed a few free throws. Lots of players, great players, miss free throws in the clutch. What happened in Miami was the perfect storm. If the two teams played the last minute of that game 10 times under the same conditions with the same line ups, the Spurs would win 8, but it just happened that this year it was one fo the years where everything went the wrong way. Our team played their hearts out, and they lost. They didn't get the breaks, and Miami did. No reason to hate on Manu or Tim or Tony or Green or Kawhi or any of them. Just grateful that they showed me that a team I thought was past its prime would be good enough to compete against the best team in the the NBA on the biggest stage and come within a few possessions of beating them.

[cd98]

BTW, as much as our team has struggled to beat the best teams in the NBA this year, I can't help but think this team is better than last year's team with the addition of Belinelli.

[Baam]

Pop, Manu, Parker and bad luck led to the collapse in games 6 and 7, tbh..there's no need for the usual war between Parker and Ginobili fans, they both deserve a large amount of blame for the collapse, tbh..

As well as Kawhi shooting free-throws like Dwight Howard... But Pop is the clear number one, from benching Tim to putting all the chips on Turnobili in crunch time...

[hater]

BTW, as much as our team has struggled to beat the best teams in the NBA this year, I can't help but think this team is better than last year's team with the addition of Belinelli.

not sure I agree. Parker was playing at MVP level and Green was breaking all time shooting records. Not to mention Kawhi was playing a lot better as well. Sure the Ferrari gave the entire Spurs team a big jolt and new blood, but I'm not sure the addition of Ferrari outweighs Parker, Green and Kawhi's dropoff.

[look_at_g_shred]

not sure I agree. Parker was playing at MVP level and Green was breaking all time shooting records. Not to mention Kawhi was playing a lot better as well. Sure the Ferrari gave the entire Spurs team a big jolt and new blood, but I'm not sure the addition of Ferrari outweighs Parker, Green and Kawhi's dropoff.

This statement holds true when referring to last season's playoffs. We haven't reached the playoffs this year so it's difficult to compare until the team is tested at the game's highest level.

[hater]

This statement holds true when referring to last season's playoffs. We haven't reached the playoffs this year so it's difficult to compare until the team is tested at the game's highest level.

agree. but the comparison is THIS team vs. last year's. Potentially this team could be better, yes, but there is a long way to go.

[cd98]

not sure I agree. Parker was playing at MVP level and Green was breaking all time shooting records. Not to mention Kawhi was playing a lot better as well. Sure the Ferrari gave the entire Spurs team a big jolt and new blood, but I'm not sure the addition of Ferrari outweighs Parker, Green and Kawhi's dropoff.

I do think Parker got off to a slow start. But he's been looking better of late. Green has had a drop off, but I think that may have something more to do with Belinelli's arrival. Kawhi is also playing better of late. I don't think his lack of production has to do with not playing well, I think it has more to do with finding his role. I don't think they run many plays for him. Guys like that will be inconsistent. I just see this team as being overall better. They are more dangerous in ways that they were not before. Again, it hasn't translated to wins yet, but when this team hits its stride midseason, I just have a feeling they will be really good. Cross fingers there won't be injuries.

[cd021]

It's underwhelming compared to what his direct rivals were doing that same post-season:

Paul averaged 22/11/7 on 54% shooting in the first round in 2011. Rondo averaged 19/12/7 on 50% in the first round that year. They scored efficiently AND created for their teammates.

Story of Parker's career. Play like an efficient badass in the regular season(.551 TS%) then the bed when you have to play against playoff level defenses(.516 TS%). Compare that to Paul who's efficiency doesn't drop from reg season to post-season.

Parkers career playoff average is 19 ppg, & 46%. His assists takes dip, but thats primarily due to; slower pacing, playing against top tier defenses and of course sharing the ball on the perimeter with Manu and in the post with Duncan. Of course his TS% is going to dip. After the 1st round every opponent is usually a top 10 defensive team. No bad teams to inflate numbers, that being said his scoring efficency isn't bad at all when considering the level of talent he goes up against.

Paul has done nothing in the post season, funny you bring him up. The farthest he has gotten was game 7 of the semi's and lost to Parker and the Spurs in New Orleans. Throw in a 1st round exit last season ,against a team that struggled mightily to score, and being sweep the season before against Parker and the Spurs. His numbers are very impressive but Parker has posted great numbers later in the post season against superior defenses.


Rondo is a great play maker, but most of his success has been attributed to playing along side Pierce, Allen and Garnett. He hasn't been the driving force in a deep post season run neither has Paul nor has Williams.

[barbacoataco]

Amen

[sventhedog]

this is actually called the "eva longoria effect"

1. people's tendency to hate people who seem to have it all--money,championships,beautiful wife, etc. either because they can't have it or simply feel better about themselves by expecting that "lucky person" to fail.

2. guys tendency to think they lost their chance at longoria just because parker showed up. lol.

[EVAY]

thankfully free speech is exercised in this forums, at least for now.

People need to hear and learn what happened in the past. Manu cost us the championship and game 6 was the biggest collapse of a sports team in the history of mankind.

by your logic, should we go ahead and erase 911 and the Holocaust from the history books as well?

Actually, no. Your suggestion is an example of a reductio ad absurdam logical fallacy. My preferences reflect my sincere disgust with the constant reiteration of people's biases and prejudices.

My preference is a function of feelings (disgust, tedium, etc. etc) and therefore outside of the realm of logic.

Finally, the right to free speech is not without restraint. (Fire in a crowded theater, etc. etc.). I am merely expressing a preference for some restraint that appears unavailable to the individuals who will not restrain themselves.

And based on your logic, my free speech rights should allow me to vent those feelings ad nauseum with no complaints.

[HI-FI]

Pop, Manu, Parker and bad luck led to the collapse in games 6 and 7, tbh..there's no need for the usual war between Parker and Ginobili fans, they both deserve a large amount of blame for the collapse, tbh..

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