I have to agree. Guys are soft, the sport used to be about watching these guys bully eachother and fight. Today's game is pussy
"Basically everything. It's no defense, it's just run and gun. To me, there's only three point guards in the NBA that impress me; I got Chris Paul, Rondo, and another kid that I like a lot and I forgot his name right now. Oh, and Tony Parker. That's only three NBA players in there.There's too much touch fouls. Every time you touch and they stay on the free throw line. That's no way to watch basketball. When we were playing, it was rough and tough. Even superstars like me fouled out a lot. That's because they let people play, and if you do something then you call it. But nowadays it's not like that and this is the era.This is what kids want to see. You see these Playstations, they scoring 50 and 60 with one player, that's what they want to see on TV and I don't go with that. My era, give me one-on-one with somebody and stop him and right now you can't do that with a player because if you touch him he's going to the foul line and you're fouling out. Let him be rough. If he got an opportunity to go at you in the offensive end, let me go at him on the defensive end and rough him up. So that's the way I like basketball and I don't think it's like that.
I agree with the pussyness. What's annoying is that guys like Harden are plenty talented... they're good enough to not rely on the refs, but they play for free throws instead. Still, I wouldn't call the league "boring" as a result of it. The long season has more to do with that
Ol' sport is on point, I feel the exact same way. Funny how he didn't even put Westbrook
what was Payton rambling about kids wanting to see guys drop 50-60? Last 60 point game was by Kirby, and it was 5 yrs ago. only a few players have dropped 50 recently.
There were a lot more high-scoring games without these new gay rules...tbh. If anything, these rules have lowered the scoring rate due to all these offensive fouls being called.
But I agree with everything else.
Payton is just an overrated piece of negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.
Why did you disable your sig, Mitc .
I'm glad The Glove agrees with me, it's what I been saying for months.
just last night the game Spurs vs. Pelicans was disgusting to watch. How many free throws were shot in that damn game, it crawled and was damn boring imo.
Seriously, I can't wait for the regular season to end. It's been boring as .
made got obviously quit on his sig bet
check him out in the NFL forum though
he's a Pats fan now
Welching got
Name's big dog, and it isn't.
Payton is that
Btw, I love how people gloss over the fact that flopping had already existed long before the '90s, tbh.... Frank Ramsey pioneered it in the '50s and '60s (even describing his flop techniques in a Sports Illustrated article), Red Auerbach was publicly complaining about it in the '70s.... Vlade Divac, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. were flopping in the '90s....
Gotta love bitter old players whining about the current league and vanilla nostalgia gots slurping it up
That's a good doggie.Name's big dog, and it isn't.
^2nd most vanilla poster on ST, in my opinion.
Who's the 1st?
Overrated? He was a great player in his day. Your organization owes a huge debt to him. Dude would have won a le if not for playing in the Michael Jordan era.
fifyName's small poodle, and it isn't.
what a ing surprisecheck him out in the NFL forum though
he's a Pats fan now
The average Free Throw Attempt Rate (Free Throws Attempted Per Shot) of the league is actually a lot lower now than it was when he played. For example, in the 1996 season the average FTR was .329 compared to the .279 this season. Also, teams are fouling about 20.8 times per game this season compared to the 23 fouls per game in 1996. Sure, it is harder for guys to defend on the perimeter now, but teams have adapted.
this does not contradict with what Payton said at all. He said there's too much "touch fouls" not "fouls". Sure teams have adapted by not "touching" perimeter players, but that's exactly what Payton is complaining about. And he is right.
in this pussy game, Bruce Bowen, Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen would foul out by the 3rd quarter imo
The problem isn't the players: it's the rules and the refs. Ever since the game evolved into this perimeter-oriented, no-hand-checking chuckfest, players have learned a new way to produce points: get to the line.
I know that is no new concept to basketball players, but it is one that is stressed by guards now more than ever. Players know that if they dribble into the lane and create contact, they are going to draw a whistle, even if they aren't looking to actually make the shot. That has led to theplayer's crusade to the charity stripe, with recent masters such as Kobe Bryant, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, and James Harden. , some of these players have made such an art of getting fouled that it has pushed them into the upper echelon. Take away James Harden or Kevin Durant's free throws, and they suddenly start looking a lot more like the everyday jump-shooters in the league.
You can't blame the players for taking advantage of the system, though. They are doing their job and finding ways to produce by whatever means possible, just like using the "Hack-a" strategy is a legitimate way to take advantage of an opponent's weakness. Until they change the rules or start enforcing them differently, players are going to continue to put this onus on the refs to draw the whistle, and it's only going to get worse as more and more developing players realize this is a way to add 5 PPG to their average.
And for this, we all have Michael Jordan to thank.
In a way
But the pussification really started after his retirement in 98
This is when the NBA panicked and was afraid that the NBA would lose popularity, so they started to manufacture superstars and boost their scoring stats via rule changes and gay officiating
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