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TS% will be dismissed in 5 4 3 2....
TS%
Kobe 55.5
Duncan 55.1
Playoffs
Kobe 54.1
Duncan 54.7
TS% will be dismissed in 5 4 3 2....
true shooting percentage favors guards due to the inclusion of free throws. once again, you are "deflecting and dismissing" the fact that kobe is soon going to be tops on the all-time regular season bricks list.
if you are so -bent on including the 3point shot, use EFG% instead, where Duncan is still ahead of Kirbs, because Kobe has always been a mediocre three point shooter
Because things such as 5th most 30pt games in nba history, 3rd most 40pt games in nba history, 3rd most 50 point games of alltime, having 5 60 point games, 2nd most 30 point playoff games ever are very relevant.
Do you have things such as the most 5 point 2 minute spans in February games, most 3 pointers in the second night of a full moon, and other important scoring milestones?
Another important mile stone, most missed shots in NBA history without being #1 in scoring, or anywhere close to it.
This must have been the 5th time I am educating you about TS%, and how it favours guards. And yet, you continue to read up on it.
how is it deflecting when that's exactly what you're doing?
lol now running away from it
you couldn't care less but you do so that is why you troll ...
My only point was that some people determine "better" by different criteria which Phillip already stated quite well IIRC.
I really dont care how much more dominant Lebron is to Kobe, apparently that is a BIG deal to you.
But he also is more dominant than Duncan as well ...Doesnt change my argument.
I think Lebron has a chance to go down as the GOAt and if he does I'm sure many will say there is a HUGE gap between James and Kobe and that would be fine as well.
I dont hate Lebron or his game ...like you do Kobe.
Oh, Deuce amb only likes advanced metrics that supports his biases like Win shares and Drating ...
I thought you knew this ...
I dont disagree. If I needed two points I would rather have a shaq two handed flush or a Lebron james drive ...
But A Ray allen Jumper, Kobe fade-away, Dreamshake or Timmy bank shot are more pleasing to my basketball eye.
Don't get me wrong a Shaq or james dunk on over or through someone can have way more impact then of the plays I just mentioned.
TS% will not favor a player like Duncan who doesn't shoot three pointers and shoots free throws ~70% for his career. This is like me trying to claim Duncan is better because he has more rebounds
Shaq is debatable, but they are damn close to eachother either way. I give Shaq a slight edge, but it's very close and can change if Duncan has another postseason like he did last year. If he merely gets to the Finals and does very well, he's arguably above Shaq. Wins another ring while doing well, easily above Shaq.
Kobe is comfortably beneath both players and at this point with how the Lakers look, has no hope of passing either.
TS% will not favor a player like Duncan who doesn't shoot three pointers and shoots free throws ~70% for his career. This is like me trying to claim Duncan is better because he has more rebounds
Taking more games to win has something to do with that perhaps?
People are so antsy to crown a new GOAT they called him KING before he ever won a ing thing. He's got a long way to go to be anywhere close to GOAT. Falsely putting Kobe eve remotely close is why the curve is so skewed to GOAT. Lebron is better than Kobe, but Kobe was nowhere close to Michael. Don't let the ring count fool you.
I find it amusing when Laker fans say "Kobe outscored Dallas for 3 quarters..." as if Kobe did all the work at the defensive end to contain Dallas.
Wow you should re-read what you posted.
Spurstalk where having the 3rd most 50 point games in nba history is irrelavant and comparable to most 3pointers on a full moon.
Honestly tell me what's better. Having one more MVP award or being #4 on the alltime scoring list? Having one more Finals MVP or being 3rd on the alltime playoff scoring list and having one more ring?
I already made a thread on Kobe and Duncan's effiency here http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225370
Don't like TS%? Fine I didn't use it.
From an individual perspective, of course winning a finals MVP and MVP trumps scoring. The point of scoring is to win games, a finals MVP and an MVP means you have won.
Also, not sure if Karl Malone still lives in LA, but you can ask him.
Speaking of KM, Malone or Hakeem on the all time list?
I couldn't care less because skills doesn't directly lead to wins or chances at championship. Just that I think saying skills = better is flawed. I can are it as an argument when two players are similar in outputs and effects on winning, but that's not the case between Lebron and Kobe. There's a huge gap, and there's been a gap for years.
Not true. Ts% is a good metric to compare players with similar roles, like guards vs guards or front court vs front court, but is flawed because it does not factor in things like long rebounds, fouling out other players, missed rebounds and opposition scoring opportunities, and discounts FTs.
Kobe has 2 of them and 5 rings so its not like the Malone comparison makes sense if you read my question - 1 less finals mvp (not having zero but one less) and having an extra ring and having 31.7k points (4th alltime).
Give me 5 rings, 2 finals mvps, 1 mvp, 4th most points, and 3rd most playoff points over 4 rings, 3 finals mvps, 2 mvps.
Why not? Isnt' 2 > 1 by 1, and 1 > 0 by 1? What's the difference?
My counter argument is give me 4 alpha rings, 3 finals MVPs, 2 MVP, #9 in RS blocks #14 in RS rebounds, #3 in PO rebounds, and #1 in PO blocks.
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