not really.
out of the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 10s, the 90s is easily the weakest overall era. MJ dominated in the period after transcendent stars like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Moses, Isaiah and others were out of their prime, but before transcendent stars like Shaq, Kobe, Timmy, Dirk, etc began their primes. The pool of superstar talent in the 90s was definitely weaker. Charles was great, Hakeem was great, Robinson was very very good but not transcendent, same for Ewing, and Malone is massively overrated.
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I saw someone post on here that the league changed some rule in like '04 and 20 guards averaged 20+ ppg. I know, very vague statistic, but it's common knowledge that the league has catered to guards/ wings more since the Post hand having era tbh.
no question he accomplished quite a bit, but his team that he inherited had some solid talent.
Lebron inherited Ricky Davis and Carlos Boozer. Plus he was only 18. Bird came out of college with much more experience.
it's unfair to compare their rookie seasons. its apples to oranges
Not to mention that the NBA started changing rules to make things easier on Jordan, especially against the Bad Boy Pistons who had tormented him
Oh, and flopping was very much rampant in the '90s, as were made, pussy players.... the league was watered down by expansion and they even moved the three-point line in for a couple years to inflate stats and scoring.... the media has simply chosen to ignore the reality of '90s basketball in order to prop up a mythical version of Jordan, mainly because the NBA is so unimaginative at marketing that they still rely on Jordan as a crutch over a decade after he retired....
They didn't have transcendent offensive stars, but maybe, just maybe, it was because they had a lot more defensive 2s and 3s back then. I don't have any stats or anything to back it up. Just throwing it out there.
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the 90s when it was never a part of my argument.Not to mention that the NBA started changing rules to make things easier on Jordan, especially against the Bad Boy Pistons who had tormented him
Oh, and flopping was very much rampant in the '90s, as were made, pussy players.... the league was watered down by expansion and they even moved the three-point line in for a couple years to inflate stats and scoring.... the media has simply chosen to ignore the reality of '90s basketball in order to prop up a mythical version of Jordan, mainly because the NBA is so unimaginative at marketing that they still rely on Jordan as a crutch over a decade after he retired....
handchecking is the most overrated rule change ever for 2 reasons.
1) people still handcheck, they just don't do it in such an obvious manner
2) zone defense was outlawed. utilizing certain traps and double teams were FAR less common back then.
if you have an elite scorer, handchecking won't bother them much at all. they will find ways to score. but a well timed double team? that will completely screw with the rhythm of even elite scorers.
the rule changes crap is just that. crap.
now I dont have a problem with saying the league is less physical these days, but even that gets overrated, simply because flopping is so common, so people are knee-jerk and want to say "there is no physicality today". no, there is plenty of physicality allowed today, they just try to keep fights and unnecessary confrontations to a minimum, especially after what happened in Detroit in 04 completely jacked up the reputation of the league for years.
defensive 2s and 3s
thats pretty much the worst argument ive ever seen
this.Not to mention that the NBA started changing rules to make things easier on Jordan, especially against the Bad Boy Pistons who had tormented him
Oh, and flopping was very much rampant in the '90s, as were made, pussy players.... the league was watered down by expansion and they even moved the three-point line in for a couple years to inflate stats and scoring.... the media has simply chosen to ignore the reality of '90s basketball in order to prop up a mythical version of Jordan, mainly because the NBA is so unimaginative at marketing that they still rely on Jordan as a crutch over a decade after he retired....
So what are you saying? Do you honestly believe LeBron is playing in a tougher era than Bird and Johnson?handchecking is the most overrated rule change ever for 2 reasons.
1) people still handcheck, they just don't do it in such an obvious manner
2) zone defense was outlawed. utilizing certain traps and double teams were FAR less common back then.
if you have an elite scorer, handchecking won't bother them much at all. they will find ways to score. but a well timed double team? that will completely screw with the rhythm of even elite scorers.
the rule changes crap is just that. crap.
now I dont have a problem with saying the league is less physical these days, but even that gets overrated, simply because flopping is so common, so people are knee-jerk and want to say "there is no physicality today
considering you saying that this was a weaker era, came in response to a comparison between current stars in Bosh/Wade to 90s stars in Pippen/Rodman, you brought it upon yourself
TC has a good point. I wouldn't have him top 5 with just these two rings. But then again, that's not really my reason. My reason is that he's a SF and I'd take several big men over him.
how would james harden's FT antics have worked for him in the 80's or 90's, tbh?handchecking is the most overrated rule change ever for 2 reasons.
1) people still handcheck, they just don't do it in such an obvious manner
2) zone defense was outlawed. utilizing certain traps and double teams were FAR less common back then.
if you have an elite scorer, handchecking won't bother them much at all. they will find ways to score. but a well timed double team? that will completely screw with the rhythm of even elite scorers.
the rule changes crap is just that. crap.
now I dont have a problem with saying the league is less physical these days, but even that gets overrated, simply because flopping is so common, so people are knee-jerk and want to say "there is no physicality today
Also lol @ discounting rings. If you're the number one option on a team then Rings are one of the most important measures of success. Especially for LeBron who darted from Cleveland and claimed he was going to bring 7+ rings to South Beach. Ha.
i think todays era is every bit as compe ive as its ever been.
people just love having revisionist history, and not looking at all the facts. such as massively inflated stats in the 80s due to the higher tempos, along with absolutely atrocious defense. defense really didn't become good until the 90s. before the 90s, defense was "hard fouls". but staying on your feet, contesting jumpers, and general defensive strategy was pretty much absent in the 80s and before.
So Bill Russell is the greatest of all-time, in your opinion?..that's fine, I'm just curious..
Thanks for the simple reply. Mind sharing your top 5? No order needed.
who knows? people in the 80s and 90s didn't know of as many loopholes in the rules as people do today. while i think he gets awarded some crap freethrows, by the letter of the rule, what he does, often is a legit foul. don't blame him. blame the people who wrote the rules. he is just finding ways to work them well, just like Rodman found ways to work the rules with flopping back in the late 80s.
people act like flopping just started recently, but it hasn't. its been around for a loooooooong time
i'm not blaming him. just pointing out how certain players might look better today than they would have in previous eraswho knows? people in the 80s and 90s didn't know of as many loopholes in the rules as people do today. while i think he gets awarded some crap freethrows, by the letter of the rule, what he does, often is a legit foul. don't blame him. blame the people who wrote the rules. he is just finding ways to work them well, just like Rodman found ways to work the rules with flopping back in the late 80s.
people act like flopping just started recently, but it hasn't. its been around for a loooooooong time
Seriously.... all the people who think flopping is a modern invention should read this SI article from 1963people act like flopping just started recently, but it hasn't. its been around for a loooooooong time
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...ne/MAG1075469/
He's top 5 but I can't honestly say #1 because the compe ion wasn't the same and different rules. It was a very different nba. . But I have no doubt he would still be a dominant player in today's game. Just maybe not 11 le runs. Haha
Like, the nba must have been so boring after he won his fourth or filth in a row.
and vice versa. MJ may not look quite as good in this slower paced era, with notably more general athleticism, where he isn't 3 classes above the next closest athlete, like he was at one time. he wouldnt even be the best athlete in the league right now, and would have to work harder to defend more wing talent in general.
how good would Magic Johnson or Larry Bird be in today's league? I'm sure they would be great, but transcendent stars like they were in the 80s? doubt it. they don't have the luxury of frequently being defended by a bunch of unathletic white dudes.
You had dog , then 3 years of the Bad Boys pistons with the rest of the league still dog .
Jordan got his ass kicked by the bad boys. He watched them ring twice after they punished his ass.
What actually tough teams did he ring through?
lol Magic and Bird would destroy s today
Players may be more athletic today, but most of them are dumb as
And it's not like they were defended by unathletic white dudes in the 80s
no one is saying they wouldnt be great.
and there werent dumbass players in the 80s? even so, fact is, you can have the highest IQ in the world, if you physically are incapable of playing a high level of defense, then that IQ means nothing. at least if you have a high level of athleticism, even if you misuse it, you can still cause problems in different ways.
the general level of athleticism in the league is worlds higher today than it was in the 80s. anyone who says otherwise is a moron of extreme proportions and should seriously consider suicide
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