Texans will drop Football according to Mel Kiper

[Riddler]

I fear this will be the case as well. As good as Bridgewater is I worry he has game manager written all over him.

If he can read defenses and pick up blitzes, (better than Keenum), then he'll be more than a game manager.

[FkLA]

Probably because his success is dependent on his feet

False. His arm is a very underrated weapon as well.

What happens to small, running QBs in the NFL? Do they last?

Even if this is what happens with Football I'd still take a couple of years of greatness over 10 years of average play. Especially for a team like the Texans who have a small window left before an overhaul.

There's no Luck in this class. Bortles/Bridgewater aren't franchise QBs tbh.

Talk bout tshirt fan... OP

Have never bandwagoned in any sport and I'm a Cubs fan but the Cowboys are that miserable and Football is that awesome. It is what it is tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I know the No.1 picks don't get as much money as they used to but the last thing Manziel needs is guaranteed millions. That'll torpedo his career almost overnight. He'll be on the Ryan Leaf Fast Track To Nowhere.

Manziel already is guaranteed millions in oil money.

I honestly don't see any issue with his work ethic or his character. His teammates have always stuck up for him with the media and obviously like playing with him. The biggest issues with Manziel are his height and his habit of scrambling too early. All the QBs in this draft are dogs with flees, he has the least amount of flees imo.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Football is the best QB in this class. Easily.

but teh autograph scandal

[Riddler]

False. His arm is a very underrated weapon as well.



Even if this is what happens with Football I'd still take a couple of years of greatness over 10 years of average play. Especially for a team like the Texans who have a small window left before an overhaul.

There's no Luck in this class. Bortles/Bridgewater aren't franchise QBs tbh.



Have never bandwagoned in any sport and I'm a Cubs fan but the Cowboys are that miserable and Football is that awesome. It is what it is tbh.

You don't take the number one pick just to get a couple of years out of them. Also, their window has been shut already until a complete overhaul.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Eh no team's window is ever shut in the NFL. They're always 1-2 good draft classes and a new QB away from contention.

[Riddler]

Eh no team's window is ever shut in the NFL. They're always 1-2 good draft classes and a new QB away from contention.

True, I'm just speaking in terms of the Foster and Andre era.

[FkLA]

but teh autograph scandal

hes also smaller than Teddy and Bortles

As if that automatically makes both better options.

You don't take the number one pick just to get a couple of years out of them. Also, their window has been shut already until a complete overhaul.

But instead you take a David Carr because he has the right measurables and he gets you a bunch of years of mediocrity ?

[spurraider21]

False. His arm is a very underrated weapon as well.

i never disputed his arm strength. vick has a monster arm as well. however, like i said, his success is dependent on his feet

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Eh, I agree Manziel should focus more on being a good pocket passer, but no QB over the last two years has been able to kick Alabama's D in the teeth with his arm the way Manziel has, twice. Meanwhile Bridgewater was playing against a bunch of HS teams.

[spurraider21]

yeah, I think Manziel is the only one with a chance to be a franchise changing QB, but its hard to trust somebody that runs as often as he does. he does have a good arm and isn't necessarily a bad passer. I think guys like Bortles, Carr, Bridgewater can become solid starting caliber players that won't necessarily be liabilities for their teams, but their ceilings are lower. For the record, I like Bortles better than any of those, but for such a big dude, you don't really see the elite arm strength you'd expect.

[Ghazi]

Texans have a talented roster... they are not far from contention at all. They're better than their 2-14 record.

[Holden_Caulfield]

False. His arm is a very underrated weapon as well.

youre overrating his arm, he has an avg arm at best and his velocity is even worse. maybe its his footwork but damn a lot of his passes wobble.

[FkLA]

i never disputed his arm strength. vick has a monster arm as well. however, like i said, his success is dependent on his feet

I guess if you mean he has to continue to run it in order to be more than just average in the NFL, then yeah Id agree. But obviously you dont take Football to be your pocket passer.

BTW people are acting like Vick never enjoyed success or stayed healthy, 2004-2006 he was solid. If Football can be that early on and continue to make progressions as a passer Id gladly take that if Im a Texans fan tbh.

youre overrating his arm, he has an avg arm at best and his velocity is even worse. maybe its his footwork but damn a lot of his passes wobble.

His arm is fine. Its not elite but its good enough to were hes more than capable of hurting you through the air.

[FkLA]

Also it wont be as fast but still curious to see Football's 40 time at the combine and how it compares with Vicks tbh.

[Holden_Caulfield]

His arm is fine. Its not elite but its good enough to were hes more than capable of hurting you through the air.

It would be fine if he was a pocket passer and could read a defense but thats not the case yet, hes pretty young and he improved his passing from last year but his instinct to run away and even from clean pockets will get him in trouble in the pros.

As for his 40 time i think he'll run in the 4.6 range and i think Carr will have a better 40 than him. He will kill the 3 cone drill and shuttle run for sure.

[spurraider21]

3 cone and shuttle run are far more important for scrambling imo. all about quick movements, direction changes, and stop-start. i'll try to find the article (might have been right off of rotoworld), but i read about how Carr through an inordinate amount of short passes which inflated his completion%

[Holden_Caulfield]

3 cone and shuttle run are far more important for scrambling imo. all about quick movements, direction changes, and stop-start. i'll try to find the article (might have been right off of rotoworld), but i read about how Carr through an inordinate amount of short passes which inflated his completion%

yeah that was pretty obvious since he throws like 10 bubble screens per game to compensate for their ty oline play and running game and the offense is predicated through quick release and presnap reads. He has like 200+ more passes than all the other qb prospects, and he was still sacked the least, but thats because of the quick strike offense.

[Holden_Caulfield]

also thats why his YPA is so embarrassing

[spurraider21]

yeah, if i said i've watched all these guys games i'd be lying through my teeth

i'm not an NCAAF junkie by any stretch. i have gone back and watched a lot of these qb's games (via throw-by-throw videos) since i'm assuming the raiders will be drafting one. you get a much different feel when you watch the actual game though.

[td4mvp2k]

Have never bandwagoned in any sport and I'm a Cubs fan but the Cowboys are that miserable and Football is that awesome. It is what it is tbh.

ya cuz da cubs arent miserable... Good 1 tshirt

[FkLA]

It would be fine if he was a pocket passer and could read a defense but thats not the case yet, hes pretty young and he improved his passing from last year but his instinct to run away and even from clean pockets will get him in trouble in the pros.

Think what you want about him off the field but the dude is not dumb on the field. He isnt the type that panics and takes off instinctively like that. His ability to run is a positive not a negative. He has to make strides in the passing game no doubt but hes 21 and has made strides already.

As for his 40 time i think he'll run in the 4.6 range and i think Carr will have a better 40 than him. He will kill the 3 cone drill and shuttle run for sure.

Wut? Id be willing to bet money on both.

Isnt this Carr supposed to be less athletic than his older brother? No way in he records a faster 40 than Football tbh.

ya cuz da cubs arent miserable... Good 1 tshirt

Lovable though, the Cowboys are just embarrasing. And no youre the t-shirt Im a bandwagoner/Football fan tbh.

[td4mvp2k]

Lovable though, the Cowboys are just embarrasing. And no youre the t-shirt Im a bandwagoner/Football fan tbh.

only thing embarrasing is u tbh... Real fan talk

[FkLA]

Now that I think about it the Cowboys have brought me less joy than the Cubs since I've been a fan. I'm not even that attached to them tbh.

[td4mvp2k]

I can tell tbh...