Jefferson defends his tenure with the Spurs:

[weeks]

i mean, i still remember how he let gary neal (plantar fascitis and everything) run him down to foul him out of a dunk.

then he missed both crucial free throws.

[jag]

Truth is RJ was great for us. He helped lead us to the best record in the West (61-21) in 2010-11, and if it hadn't been for Ginobili breaking his elbow in the final game of the regular season, then RJ would have performed better without all the added pressure of carrying the offense.

The truth is you all hated RJ because of his contract and because he was a vet who wasn't going to apologize for his shortcomings. But as a player he was very good for us--he just didn't mesh with the expectations of the fans or fit with the personality of the team.

RJ hate is the only example I can think of where GNSF blind hating on Spurstalk actually evolved into common mainstream NBA belief that he sucked on the Spurs.

He was never bad on the Spurs. The Spurs were never bad with him. Sure, his contract stunk and we were never gonna win a le with him- but Kiwi hasn't won us a le yet either tbh.

I can think of 6, 8 other players who choked just as bad against Phoenix and Memphis those years we got eliminated.

His time with the Spurs is judged relative to the expectations of the fans and front office. For all his talent, he was passive and weak-minded. He also killed the chemistry whenever he was on the court. I don't recall a player in the Spurs' current offensive system who could routinely disappear for an entire half, having no impact on the game whatsoever, the way Richard Jefferson could.

He was rarely "bad," but he was so underwhelming you'd almost rather see him gone. Before Kawhi, I wanted the Spurs to stick with RJ because the potential for game-changing play was still there. But he was happy to coast, and I was glad to see him go.

[Snaq O'Meal]

lol

That was no flop. RJ felt some contact on his posterior, and simply assumed his natural position.

[Spanklin]

Whaaaaat? So much wrong with this.

Look he is not better than a 22 year old LEONARD, way higher ceiling as well so just stop it.

Jefferson was an All Star and integral piece to a championship contender. Leonard might be good but no way can you say his ceiling is higher than that right this moment.

What shooting threes at around 40% and not much else? He can't defend worth a crap and never did here, can't slash at all! Hardly even dunked here! He camped out on the wing.

What do you mean he can't slash? He has 101 shots in the restricted in Pootah's stupid system. Looks to me like he has to create most of those in medium to heavy traffic. In comp, Leonard has 161 shots there in our superior system.

Again, I'm afraid your contract hate is clouding your view of the guy.

He did not fit in then so why would he now exactly?

I'd take him on a vet min over Marco easily. Better fit, vet know how, and Marco doesn't have that luck factor that we thrive on. I believe Jefferson does and we need more of that this year. Pop burned all our luck last post season with those two mind boggling moves that lost us games.


[QUOTE=Sean Cagney;7074266]Oh yeah They play about the same amount of minutes a game, Kawhi 2 more PPG on a more stacked team, 51% shooting to s 44% and 6 rebounds to s 4 a game, how is he that much more efficient? He is shooting threes better yes, what else? I fail to see your point.[QUOTE]

Of course Kiwi scores more points in a better system. What you say is really MORE support for Jefferson since he's getting almost the same points in a crap system.

Rebounding is a function of coaching decisions-blah blah blah.

[DMC]

Really? You're using luck as a measuring stick?

[ThaBigFundamental21]

We all expected way to much from Jefferson. Admit it. An awful lot of people thought Jefferson would be the piece that put us over the top and get another ring. ADMIT IT. Lol. We thought he would be that 4th scorer we needed. He underwhelmed in a big way. Pop probably didn't utilize him right, and he wasn't as good as anyone thought in general. We put way to much expectations upon his shoulders, and when the Spurs couldn't get another ring we blamed Jefferson. Yeah, he sucked, but we crucify him unjustly. He is who he is.

[Chomag]

yeah, a player that didn't care, and he was a cancer that brought the team energy down. I know I would have a hard time being motivated if I had RJ out their playing on my team.

[Sean Cagney]

We all expected way to much from Jefferson. Admit it. An awful lot of people thought Jefferson would be the piece that put us over the top and get another ring. ADMIT IT. Lol. We thought he would be that 4th scorer we needed. He underwhelmed in a big way. Pop probably didn't utilize him right, and he wasn't as good as anyone thought in general. We put way to much expectations upon his shoulders, and when the Spurs couldn't get another ring we blamed Jefferson. Yeah, he sucked, but we crucify him unjustly. He is who he is.

This is about all that needs to be said in this thread. I was happy the day he was shipped out with his contract though I could not lie! No wonder we took off to the CF again and the Finals the next year when he was gone, ironic.

[Sean Cagney]

[QUOTE=Spanklin;7074841]Whaaaaat? So much wrong with this.



Jefferson was an All Star and integral piece to a championship contender. Leonard might be good but no way can you say his ceiling is higher than that right this moment.



What do you mean he can't slash? He has 101 shots in the restricted in Pootah's stupid system. Looks to me like he has to create most of those in medium to heavy traffic. In comp, Leonard has 161 shots there in our superior system.

Again, I'm afraid your contract hate is clouding your view of the guy.



I'd take him on a vet min over Marco easily. Better fit, vet know how, and Marco doesn't have that luck factor that we thrive on. I believe Jefferson does and we need more of that this year. Pop burned all our luck last post season with those two mind boggling moves that lost us games.


[QUOTE=Sean Cagney;7074266]Oh yeah They play about the same amount of minutes a game, Kawhi 2 more PPG on a more stacked team, 51% shooting to s 44% and 6 rebounds to s 4 a game, how is he that much more efficient? He is shooting threes better yes, what else? I fail to see your point.

Of course Kiwi scores more points in a better system. What you say is really MORE support for Jefferson since he's getting almost the same points in a crap system.

Rebounding is a function of coaching decisions-blah blah blah.

Why don't you put up a stat with the fact the SPURS TOOK off the year they traded this guy and made the conference Finals, seems they were relieved he was gone and did a little better without him out there huh? That just a few short years ago and you want that guy back in this system and think he would excell? I think not. It's no coincidence that the CF are made the year he is gone and the finals the next year, best trade ever getting rid of RJ and you want him back. HOW is that for a luck factor? I guess we got a luck factor for getting rid of that guy you want back so bad.


Take him over Marco? Look at their shooting PCT since you mention those in posts, efficiency etc. You are on your own here and you would take him over Kawhi and Marco, you are the only one on Earth probably who would. That veteran know how got us what? Just a few short years ago we trade him like I said and the SPURS take off and you act like he would thrive just two years later. He thrived and was the vet know how the Warriors needed last year I saw too , his missed FT's gave us the SPARK and we actually stole a key game one that was the series IMO and gave the Spurs hope.

He is what he is and you want this bum back because he is OKAY on a cruddy UTAH team this year, go watch them and root for them then and you can have him on your team but as for Spurs fans I am sure they take Marco and Kawhi anyday over this guy and smile.

[look_at_g_shred]

[QUOTE=Sean Cagney;7075040][QUOTE=Spanklin;7074841]Whaaaaat? So much wrong with this.



Jefferson was an All Star and integral piece to a championship contender. Leonard might be good but no way can you say his ceiling is higher than that right this moment.



What do you mean he can't slash? He has 101 shots in the restricted in Pootah's stupid system. Looks to me like he has to create most of those in medium to heavy traffic. In comp, Leonard has 161 shots there in our superior system.

Again, I'm afraid your contract hate is clouding your view of the guy.



I'd take him on a vet min over Marco easily. Better fit, vet know how, and Marco doesn't have that luck factor that we thrive on. I believe Jefferson does and we need more of that this year. Pop burned all our luck last post season with those two mind boggling moves that lost us games.

Oh yeah They play about the same amount of minutes a game, Kawhi 2 more PPG on a more stacked team, 51% shooting to s 44% and 6 rebounds to s 4 a game, how is he that much more efficient? He is shooting threes better yes, what else? I fail to see your point.

Why don't you put up a stat with the fact the SPURS TOOK off the year they traded this guy and made the conference Finals, seems they were relieved he was gone and did a little better without him out there huh? That just a few short years ago and you want that guy back in this system and think he would excell? I think not. It's no coincidence that the CF are made the year he is gone and the finals the next year, best trade ever getting rid of RJ and you want him back.

This post is simply saying Kawhi > RJ. Which is the truth. Suck it RJ. Wait....that's a compliment right?

[Spanklin]

Why don't you put up a stat with the fact the SPURS TOOK off the year they traded this guy and made the conference Finals

How many times do I have to spell this out for you? I'm talking about the player he is now and not the one back then.



You sucking off Marco is too funny. Guy is a career 35% shooter from three and now shoots 50%. Hmmmmmm, you think that he magically improved by 50%, or you think just maybe the Spurs system might have a tiny bit to do with it? lmao

Jefferson would shoot way better than Marco if he were here, but I guess you can't see past the paperbag over your head with the box stats printed on the inside.

[tholdren]

Nothing wrong with being gay, just don't suck it on the court...

See what I did there?

(crickets)

Seriously, his aggression level was my main issue. He avoided contact on every drive which negates his primary ability. 3s are nice and all but without the threat of taking it inside, he was shut down easily and was a net negative. Love how Dice basically called him a pussy after a playoff loss. Also Sheed basically saying that he didn't want to play for the Spurs cause he thought our trade for RJ was a bad move. Good times!

..agree we always called him roger dorn....

[Sean Cagney]

How many times do I have to spell this out for you? I'm talking about the player he is now and not the one back then.



You sucking off Marco is too funny. Guy is a career 35% shooter from three and now shoots 50%. Hmmmmmm, you think that he magically improved by 50%, or you think just maybe the Spurs system might have a tiny bit to do with it? lmao

Jefferson would shoot way better than Marco if he were here, but I guess you can't see past the paperbag over your head with the box stats printed on the inside.

You say now and then you go on and talk about Marcos career? He is playing better than was here and for less of a price sir. It magically improved because o f open looks we both know, but he can make some plays too with the ball where as COULD NOT. Why would come back to this team and magically be better than 2 years ago when they traded him? They traded him and took off, PERIOD. No thank you.

Jefferson would shoot way better than Marco if he were here? What would he shoot 60% from threes all of the sudden now? He shot in the 40's here pretty much, so how would he shoot way better than Marco right now? That makes no sense. He was here and failed, get over it that ship sailed.

[Spanklin]

You say now and then you go on and talk about Marcos career? He is playing better than was here and for less of a price sir. It magically improved because o f open looks we both know, but he can make some plays too with the ball where as COULD NOT. Why would come back to this team and magically be better than 2 years ago when they traded him? They traded him and took off, PERIOD. No thank you.

Jefferson would shoot way better than Marco if he were here? What would he shoot 60% from threes all of the sudden now? He shot in the 40's here pretty much, so how would he shoot way better than Marco right now? That makes no sense. He was here and failed, get over it that ship sailed.

Let's count up Cagney's backwoods logic:


1. Players are always the same and can never change.

2. Hates Jefferson now because he was paid $12,000,000 then.

3. Believes Marco could improve 50% from 0.35% to 0.50% in the Spurs system but Jefferson cannot improve 25% from 44% to 55%.

4. Thinks Jefferson doesn't make plays better than a guy whose ast% is in the low teens (mostly "hockey assists" that should be credited to Parker and others tbh).

5. Is making Marco "The Worst Defender On The Team" out to be a lock down defender like Tony Allen.

6. Cannot separate Jefferson at $12,000,000 from Jefferson at $1.5 million, and attached to an old number like an infant stuck on momma's nipple.

Did I miss anything important Cagney?

[tmtcsc]

Jefferson sucked ass when he was here and never looked like he gave a . That's at any price. For what he was getting paid, he should just keep his mouth shut and giggle like a little girl for the amount of money he's made throughout his career. You can bet his agent is tops on his Christmas list. What a joke.

[Seventyniner]

Here's the question then: if the Jazz reached a buyout agreement with Jefferson, would you want the Spurs to sign him for the minimum? Just for the rest of the season as a backup 3.

[Sean Cagney]

Let's count up Cagney's backwoods logic:


1. Players are always the same and can never change.

2. Hates Jefferson now because he was paid $12,000,000 then.

3. Believes Marco could improve 50% from 0.35% to 0.50% in the Spurs system but Jefferson cannot improve 25% from 44% to 55%.

4. Thinks Jefferson doesn't make plays better than a guy whose ast% is in the low teens (mostly "hockey assists" that should be credited to Parker and others tbh).

5. Is making Marco "The Worst Defender On The Team" out to be a lock down defender like Tony Allen.

6. Cannot separate Jefferson at $12,000,000 from Jefferson at $1.5 million, and attached to an old number like an infant stuck on momma's nipple.

Did I miss anything important Cagney?

HE WAS HERE AND HE FAILED and got traded away and is gone now! OKAY! We took off when he was gone and thats no lie. Spurs ran off a huge run when he gets traded, coincidence? You say what you want and be fanboy #1 of but facts are facts. He was high paid here and underperformed with the expectations fans had, period end of story. Now talk to yourself and how you wish he would come back here over Kawhi and Marco and go be a UTAH fan because he is not coming back and thank GOD for that.

I could care less how much he makes now, he failed as a SPUR and I am not a fan of this guy, period.

BTW RICHARD did help us out last year some, he missed those two huge FT's that turned the game around for the Spurs in game one! He still was choking but this time it helped us out bigtime and we were able to nab game one so I thank him for that.

Jefferson sucked ass when he was here and never looked like he gave a . That's at any price. For what he was getting paid, he should just keep his mouth shut and giggle like a little girl for the amount of money he's made throughout his career. You can bet his agent is tops on his Christmas list. What a joke.

You are correct. This clown above wants him back now over KAWHI and so on but I am glad he is gone and he never seemed to care in SA as you said nor give it his all, thats my problem with this guy.

Here's the question then: if the Jazz reached a buyout agreement with Jefferson, would you want the Spurs to sign him for the minimum? Just for the rest of the season as a backup 3.

I doubt he does much in SA now but if he came cheap for the minimum which will not likely happen then yeah ONLY then.. I would not expect a thing out of him though like last time and take him for what he is. Him as a backup for the vet minimum would not be horrible for some spot minutes here or there. I am sure he might DO a little more than T Mac did last year.

[exstatic]

Dear Mr. Pillow biter Jefferson,

Regular season numbers don't mean a thing. Kawhi is huge in the playoffs, and you were always a scared little girl. Troof bombs.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

lol