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Timmy is a C, and anyone with half a brain knows it.
Andat putting him over Moses. Moses is one of the most underappreciated stars of all time. I would build a team around Moses 10 times out of 10 before building a team around Robinson.
Sean Elliott? Dale Ellis? Terry mings? Avery wasnt great but played his role well and gave quality production, consistently giving them around 11/8.
He didn't have any superstar talent until Timmy, but it's not like his teams were completely devoid of talent like some people want to say. As HH well put it, in general most superstars in the 90s didn't have a ton of talent surrounding them, simply because there was less talent in the 90s overall. For his era, he had plenty of solid talent surrounding him. The problem was that he had no post game. He was a transition scorer and mid-range jumpshooter. Not a dominant low post scorer. You could gameplan for him much easier than other elite centers like Olajuwon or Shaq.
Timmy is a C, and anyone with half a brain knows it.
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Tim has been a C since 07 something. The old legs ain't allowing him to play PF anymore so that's the reason why you don't see no more such traditional C's like Rasho playing alongside him. You have to be mobile as a SF to play with Duncan these days I think, no matter if you're fat or thin, tall or short.
So much fail in this post, so Jordan, whom the vast majority of basketball watching public consider the GOAT, is going to have a harder time against softer defenses that don't even have true center, and with rules favouring perimeter players, where touch fouls are the norm? Brah, you not making any ing sense. I know you didn't watch any 90's ball, and just want to justify your continued deep throating of Nazi .
you lost all credibility with that re ed statement, son, i've been away to long I guess, and have forgotten how effortlessly mavfan is able to reach such heights of stupidity
Oh that explains it, Phillip with his usual ty takes.
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in the top 5 worst, at the very least, IMO TBH
what a tough era...the 2nd best player is a mentally fragile beta-chucker, who gets 10+ free throws every game, the best big man doesn't even know how to post up.
Lebron's compe ion in the 2012 playoffs: NY Knicks, a younger Indiana that they struggled against without Bosh, needing Wade to go balls deep, WCF a squad full of TOSBs + Rondo raping that Heat ass until Lebron had one game, where his jumper fell, they won 4 games in a row in the Finals against a young, inexperienced OKC team.
2013 playoffs: Milwaukee Bucks
Yeah, this era has been so tough, especially when the Eastern Conference is the tiest it has been in the last decade, definitely ter than in the late 80s/90s with the bad boy Pistons, Celtics, Pacers, Zo on the Heat, Ewing on the Knicks and Shaq and Penny in Orlando...MJ faced top 50 all-time players in the playoffs year in year out.
i still can't believe he dismissed David Robinson as a legit #1 scoring option
so basically if you haven't led a team to a championship, you aren't a #1 scoring option...
Get out of the first round, then we'll talk.
The issue with Robinson's cast is that there was very little outside threat. To spell it out even more, he has a backcourt that couldn't shoot.
When a team defends the Spurs in the 90s, they just leave Avery Johnson wide open to double Robinson. Not only does this hurt Robinson's production, it allows you to negate AJ's quickness by cutting off his drives. Now then, the other guy is Vinny Del Negro, who just isn't all that great of a three point shooter. You stick your guy on a way over the hill Dale Ellis or Chuck Person, and you basically can shut down the Spurs, because on offense, you are essentially playing 5 on 4 defense in halfcourt. Add in Rodman, who you just don't have to defend, the opposition can triple Robinson every possession with no consequences, or they can double Robinson and have a roamer take out the passing lanes.
On the other hand, people can post up Avery Johnson every possession, or do whatever they want on Del Negro because they guy just couldn't defend.
The year Robinson had mings and Strickland, the Spurs went pretty far in the playoffs, and guess what, Robinson matched his regular season game production.
And you are making it sound like Robinson played with those three guys at the same time. mings had one good year with the Spurs (89-90), Elliott peaked around 94 to 96, Dale Ellis had two years with the Spurs (92 and 93).
The best, and by far the best player Robinson played with during his prime was a 95/96 Elliott. And that is not even close to a past his prime Drexler, past his prime Robinson, Pippen, Kobe, over the hill Big O, Penny Hardaway, James Worthy, Magic Johnson, Kevin Mchale level.
As for the #1 scoring option, if you surround Robinson with Jason Kidd and Tyson Chandler (prime versions) with some decent shooters, the Spurs will likely be a championship team with Robinson as a #1 scoring option.
Some of that still is a failing of David's Amb. Shaq just said last night he didn't have many more post moves than Dwight but he still got 28 and 15 when it mattered. David had plenty of the athletic gifts Howard has is a far better player but did not "impose his will" enough for my liking. agree 100% that his supporting cast was not top notch, but HE could of done better or more on his side. Again, great player. Played both ends of the court great team-mate absolutely helped Duncan's transition to the NBA ...probably more than Mj did Pippen and Jordan gets so much credit for "making" Pippen. He just did not burn as fierce as I would of liked . They still don't ring but I think they fare better if David had a different mind-set. He really was talented and gifted should of imposed his will more.
Lol second post in this thread is you hopping on Lebron's knob. You are becoming too predictable my little friend.Blindly measuring a player's worth by rings is an antiquated method of ranking legacies, tbh..
The 2 other "super friends" haven't been anything near superstars in most of Miami's 2 les runs, for instance
There's really no point and trying to convince him, he's an idiot.
I agree he probably could have been more aggressive and actually developed a few reliable post moves, but the guy was just a natural SF/PF, and he was forced into a C role. In all honesty, Robinson's game was pretty much the predecessor of Garnett's game, only Robinson was better in rim protection and scoring, while Garnett was a better passer, with the two being about equal in rebounding and man-to-man defense. The games are very similar though, rely on quickness, more effective as a front facing guy (Robinson drives more, Garnett shoots more and has better range).
That said, when a team can load up on you and take your game away, even a Shaq shot in the 40% and scored 21.5ppg vs. the Spurs in one series when the entire Spurs team game up on him, but guess what? Nobody cares because Kobe scored like 30+ppg in that series and the Lakers won (swept the Spurs, I think). If the Spurs won, people will say how Shaq under performed.
Same with Dirk, he didn't choke in 07, he was taken down by the entire GSW team. He didn't redeem himself in 11, he had the right guys around him.
My thing is, when you get to this level of dominance (top 50, or even top 30 of all time), you can't just not care, you HAVE to have some level of drive and will to win.
There are only a few guys who I saw that you can't do anything to stop them:
Jordan during the 90s (other than the Seattle series)
Hakeem during the mid 90s (other than the other Seattle series)
Kareem (until he got old)
Bird (until his back gave out)
Shaq (other than the mentioned Spurs series)
Duncan in 03
These are players who are unbelievably dominant. Even Lebron was shut down in 11, and didn't have that great of a series a few other time.
i dunno what else drob could do in the playoffs when he was the main guy on offense
aggressive? if his not agressive then what has he been doing outthrough the playoffs...
the problem wasnt him, was more of a team cast thing....
Let's put it this way, if you put Robinson in place of pedophile's place in Utah, the team would have rung at least once.
Robinson, Stockton, Hornacek/Jeff Malone, Eaton/Ostertag, with Sloan as the coach. Stockton and Robinson can run the pick and roll all day, with Robinson kickouts to the SG, while having a big guy next to him defending the paint/doing the dirty work.
I can see Robinson forcing his way in the paint and keep driving even though he get no calls from all the hacks. That's the one thing I never got, is why Utah can hack the out of Robinson and not get called for fouls. I just don't get that.
I guess based on his level of athleticism and regular season dominance I expected more. For example KG was Amb's comparison and I can see some of that with David's game. Amb's points are on the nose about similar face up games. Again I just think his demeanor (no not saying he is soft) allowed him to be limited more effectively, he never forced shots or teh issue which is great in a team-mate not even bad to have in a leader but it is part of why he does not get the full credit he deserves. He was also a precursor to Lebron as a uber efficient player. not a huge stat guy but he used to DOMINATE the efficiency numbers in the regular season. I think most true NBA fans wanted to see that in the playoffs.
and what did acting hard intense got KG?
Never said I wanted David to "act" ...does Tim act all hard intense? Did Hakeem? did Kareem? Moses?
Except Duncan, unless I smoked some weird weed, is playing PF since he has been paired with Splitter so your point is totally moot knowing that he had a monster year last year. It has been years that his bread and butter is more JS than scoring at the rim.
you should stick to your virgnity and fake whinny blond
They had better players around them, Rob didn't. That's it. His demeanor didn't change anything.
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