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Did you think about it?
It's actually also relevant if you care to think about it just a little bit.
Did you think about it?
i don't know if somebody was texting. make your point
Guns dont kill people! People kill peoplewith guns.
People Are More Likely To Kill When They Have A Gun
Person with gun gets angry, loses control and shoots an unarmed person. It’s a more common occurrence than gun advocates care to admit.
And it contradicts several of the gun lobby’s central arguments because it demonstrates that the proximity of firearms can change cir stances. It undermines that dumb and overused cliché, “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” That may be true, but people are much more apt to kill when they have a gun.
You know how the gun lobby always insists that the antidote to gun violence is to allow more properly trained citizens to carry guns everywhere — inside nightclubs and schools and churches? Well, Reeves could hardly be better trained in the use of firearms. He’s a retired Tampa police captain and a former security officer for Busch Gardens.
The Violence Policy Center (VPC) notes that 554 other people have been killed since May 2007 by people licensed to carry concealed weapons in incidents that did not involve self-defense.
“The examples we have collected in our Concealed Carry Killers database show that with alarming regularity, individuals licensed to carry concealed weapons instigate fatal shootings that have nothing to do with self-defense,” said VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand in a statement on the center’s website.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/people-a...ey-have-a-gun/
Guns don't kill people, people with guns (and without s) kill people.
boutons I'd advise you to read your own articles before posting them, especially if you're going to highlight key LIES in red.
"The VPC concludes their report by stating that these examples illustrate clearly that concealed carry laws are not good public policy because permit holders are dangerous. Furthermore, there is a clear implication that they are more dangerous than the general public.
Let’s take a closer look at the statistics to refute this wild inaccuracy. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, across the general public in the United States, there are an average of .042802 murders per 1,000 citizens per year.
Now … even if we concede all 51 deaths detailed in the VPC report as wrongful deaths, averaging them across the over 6 MILLION permit holders in the United States and taking into account the two year timeframe, we get an average of .00425 per 1,000 per year.
In other words, even if they are 100% correct in their wildly flawed report, they have simply proven that permit holders commit murders at a rate that is 1/10th of the general public."
And
I've been very clear, seems you are having trouble keeping up.
Ahhh yes. No loop holes. He is specifically talking about the background check requirements as that is what he controlled for.
I just want to be clear: you are arguing against background checks and the other tenants of the Brady Bill right?
Boutons it'd be wise to never, ever again post anything from the VPC.
Save what little credibility you have left.
VPC got raped.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor....asp?CatID=265
You should look to yourself. Post 651 and 652 are clear examples of pulling a Darrin. Both called for and supported gun control. The first by stating the Brady Billl left too many loopholes and needed to be strengthened. The second by commenting on gun control programs that have worked in multiple cities.
That is my point. You make the typical fool's move of trying so hard to win a point that you miss the rest of what you are saying. It's a clear sign of sophistry.
Do you or do you not support the Brady Bill?
one gun in the hands of a less, law enforcement professional gun fellator meant one wife and kid minus their husband and father.
zero guns in that theater would have been a zero husbandless, fatherless family.
more guns means more gun violence and deaths
otoh, a fantastic lesson here is not to throw popcorn, the target may be a (old white, probably enormously pot bellied, with wannabe-manly facial hair) mentally ill, sicko gun fellator.
Probably doesn't matter whether the popcorn buttered or not, salted or not, because (taxpayer subsidized, insured) popcorn is perceived as mortal threat to gun fellators.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25787934
Detroit four-year-old child accidentally shoots cousin
Police said they were investigating possible charges but did not see any "malicious intent"
A four-year-old US girl shot and killed her four-year-old cousin in what authorities have called a tragic and avoidable accident.
The children were playing at their grandfather's home in Detroit on Thursday afternoon when the girl found a loaded rifle under a bed.
The boy was shot once in the chest and was pronounced dead in hospital.
Police have said they are investigating whether to press charges. It was not immediately known who owned the gun.
Jeez, how many times has this happened in the last year or so?
Now surely you can't use the 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' phrase this time.
Whether I support the Brady Bill or not has nothing to do with it's effectiveness, or lack thereof. Whether I support the Brady or not also has nothing to do with your misleading graph.
No comment on the VPC propaganda machine you pussy?
Hey dip , that is exactly what happened, a person killed a person.
a child killed a child because a gun fellator left his cherished, adored -subs ute unsecured.
Why is it so difficult for you to state a distinct position?
I'm surprised this fact didn't kill the thread, but here it is again:
What do you think a graph showing the relationship by state between poverty and gun murders would look like?I'm surprised this fact didn't kill the thread, but here it is again:
Probably similar.
Do you have such a graph available?
My point is, gun laws have not effective trend.
Then Maybe we should focus on policy that reduces poverty? As much as someone like you may like it, it really wouldn't be prudent to create policy that would eliminate blacks and Latinos which, based on the graph you keep posting, seem to be at the root of the gun violence.
I have no problem blaming the irresponsible parents.
Are we going to discuss the VPC or are you going to continue to avoid it?
How does my position on the Brady bill have anything to do with the misleading graph fuzzy posted?
Fuzzy posted a graph to try and show the Brady bill caused the sharp drop in firearm related deaths. It's simply untrue.
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