Texans will drop Football according to Mel Kiper

[FkLA]

The Browns will take Manziel at 4. The only other player that isn't Bridgewater that Houston is going to take is Clowney.

Would be such a stupid move. Aside from the fact that Teddy isn't anything special they'd also be missing a golden opportunity to make a good sized dent on the control the Cowboys have on the Texas market.

[BRHornet45]

Mel Kiper knows nothing. He said Jamarcus Russel was going to be like Elway

I have never seen a player more overrated than JaMarcus Russell. as much as I hate to say that as an LSU fan it's the truth and I always knew it. even when he played at LSU I was in the very small minority who couldn't stand him. all people wanted to do was talk about "he's so strong! he can kneel down on the 50 yard line and throw the ball into the end zone! so amazing!" .... but no one wanted to talk about what a complete idiot he was on and off the field. JaMarcus Russell single handily kept LSU from winning the national championship in 2006 (his third and final year as starter) in the game against Florida when he threw 3 horrible interceptions.

LSU won the national le in 2003 with an average, but smart Matt Mauck as their QB (the year before JaMarcus Russell)

LSU won the national le in 2007 with an above average and smart Matt Flynn as their QB (the first year AFTER JaMarcus Russell)

LSU should have won the national le in 2011 with an average, but smart Jarrett Lee as their QB (but Jordan Jefferson aka JaMarcus Russell Jr. and Les Miles had a special relationship going on)


point being .... don't buy into media hype and propaganda. the Oakland Raiders were fools for drafting that clown.

[benefactor]

McNair isn't Jerry. He doesn't care about drafting players that are marketable. His team is in a huge market and makes plenty of money just like it is.

If you pressed me for an opinion, I don't know that any of these QB's are going to be worth a damn at the next level. Bridgewater is the most intelligent and the most pro ready system-wise, but feels like he might wind up a game manager. Bortles has a big arm but is raw. Manziel is a gamer but it's hard to know what he will be as a pocket passer as he panics and looks to scramble at the first sign of pressure and he has benefited from having a beast WR in Evans...much like Stafford has with Megatron.

[shyne]

Hopefully Cleveland is dumb enough to trade up to get#1 giving the texans #4 and #29 I believe. That's my wish at least.
#4 Clowney/ Carr/ teddy
#29 best lb availble
#31 maybe a corner like verrett or dennard.

[Raven]

Regardless of where he gets picked he'll be a Cleveland Brown when the smoke clears. Book it. And he's exactly what this franchise needs.

i think that would be the worst possible combination.. even worse than at buffalo.

[Raven]

at this point i'm warming up to the raiders drafting johnny if he falls. the others are so damn underwhelming

that would be so fun tbh, you would never hear the end of it from me tbh

[JoeTait75]

i think that would be the worst possible combination.. even worse than at buffalo.

Eh. He would have one of the best receivers in football to throw to plus a very good tight end, a Pro Bowl left tackle (Joe Thomas is overrated imo but still a very good player) and if Brian Hoyer proves to be a competent place-holder (which he very well might be) he wouldn't have to get thrown in the fire right away. I get that the Browns look like a complete mess from the outside but there is talent here to work with. Actually, I don't even think talent is the biggest issue with this team right now.

[Raven]

Eh. He would have one of the best receivers in football to throw to plus a very good tight end, a Pro Bowl left tackle (Joe Thomas is overrated imo but still a very good player) and if Brian Hoyer proves to be a competent place-holder (which he very well might be) he wouldn't have to get thrown in the fire right away. I get that the Browns look like a complete mess from the outside but there is talent here to work with. Actually, I don't even think talent is the biggest issue with this team right now.

you mean he would have a great wr to underthrow, a good te to avoid and pro bowl left tackle to misuse by scarmbling when not planned.

[BUMP]

i don't know why you dweebs are trying to ignore the new age quarterback. me, avante and creepn told ya'll 2 years ago the nfl was changing and the qb position is leading the charge. the days of the old school pocket passer are long gone. other than peyton, brees and brady, what other qb fits thats mold and is doing anything relevant?

When was the last time the super bowl was won by somebody other than an old school pocket passer? tbh

also let's not ignore the fact that Kaepernick, Newton, and Muhammad have elite defenses

[djohn2oo8]

Who do you think they should draft ?

IF they stay at number 1, Bridgewater would be the QB I'd want. I also won't be mad if they take Clowney, but there is no point in taking Manziel with Keenum already on the roster, then you'd have 2 undersized Quarterbacks who's games are almost identical, except Keenum scrambles to make a throw down the field, Manziel scrambles to run downfield. Clowney just doesn't seem that intelligent though.

[FkLA]

you mean he would have a great wr to underthrow, a good te to avoid and pro bowl left tackle to misuse by scarmbling when not planned.

Doesn't sound like you watched him play much tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

When was the last time the super bowl was won by somebody other than an old school pocket passer? tbh

also let's not ignore the fact that Kaepernick, Newton, and Muhammad have elite defenses

This. Steve Young was something of a monkeyballer but much more of a pocket passer obviously. That's about it though.

[FkLA]

IF they stay at number 1, Bridgewater would be the QB I'd want. I also won't be mad if they take Clowney, but there is no point in taking Manziel with Keenum already on the roster, then you'd have 2 undersized Quarterbacks who's games are almost identical, except Keenum scrambles to make a throw down the field, Manziel scrambles to run downfield.

And you think Bridgewater is some type of franchise QB? He'll be a scrub just like the other scrub pocket passers the Texans have had. If there was an Andrew Luck in this class than no doubt you take him over Football but there isn't one. Taking a player based on size and style is beyond stupid when the smaller, unorthodox guy is far more talented.

[FkLA]

legendary pocket passer >> legendary monkeyballer
legendary monkeyballer >> scrub pocket passer

[djohn2oo8]

And you think Bridgewater is some type of franchise QB? He'll be a scrub just like the other scrub pocket passers the Texans have had. If there was an Andrew Luck in this class than no doubt you take him over Football but there isn't one. Taking a player based on size and style is beyond stupid when the smaller, unorthodox guy is far more talented.

Taking Bridgewater #1 is the safest out of the QB picks at that spot. Taking Manziel number one is likely to get alot of people fired, and you don't take undersized run first QBs number one. I never said Bridgewater would be a franchise QB because it doesn't look like there is one, but I'd like to see what O'Brien can do with him.

[BUMP]

This. Steve Young was something of a monkeyballer but much more of a pocket passer obviously. That's about it though.

Same with Rodgers/McNabb, fast enough to respect the scramble ability but ALWAYS looking to throw first. And also, Trill, let's not pretend that the NFC championship game didn't set the QB position back a few decades. And it's common knowledge to everybody except for No Lyfe that Cam would be nothing without that defense.

Monkeyballing QB's without elite defenses are too busy finishing last in their division (Pryor), getting injured (Vick), or both (RG3)

[FkLA]

04-06 Vick before he decided to start a dog fighting empire >> most pocket passers

[djohn2oo8]

04-06 Vick before he decided to start a dog fighting empire >> most pocket passers

Did he even make a Super Bowl?

[Blizzardwizard]

Bridgewater and Bortles just seem underwhelming. I think Manziel may be highest risk but definitely highest reward/upside.

[Clipper Nation]

LSU won the national le in 2003 with an average, but smart Matt Mauck as their QB (the year before JaMarcus Russell)

LSU won the national le in 2007 with an above average and smart Matt Flynn as their QB (the first year AFTER JaMarcus Russell)

LSU should have won the national le in 2011 with an average, but smart Jarrett Lee as their QB (but Jordan Jefferson aka JaMarcus Russell Jr. and Les Miles had a special relationship going on)

Son, Les is making the same mistake again by going with Anthony Jennings instead of Philbilly Jr.

[FkLA]

Did he even make a Super Bowl?

NFC championship. Still had a bigger impact on his team than what most pocket passers did.

[Raven]

legendary pocket passer >> legendary monkeyballer
legendary monkeyballer >> scrub pocket passer

i don't remember a legendary monkeyballer tbh

[Raven]

Bridgewater and Bortles just seem underwhelming. I think Manziel may be highest risk but definitely highest reward/upside.

manziel obviously has the lowest reward of them all, he's pretty much the dj blair of football.. even if he prooves to be a smart player, even if he shows composure in the pocket, even if he starts making throws downfield, he still won't be able to see over Dliners.

[FkLA]

manziel obviously has the lowest reward of them all, he's pretty much the dj blair of football.. even if he prooves to be a smart player, even if he shows composure in the pocket, even if he starts making throws downfield, he still won't be able to see over Dliners.

Drew Brees must have some superhuman ability to see through dlinemen tbh. Flutie too. Vick? God knows how they ever completed a pass.

[Raven]

Drew Brees must have some superhuman ability to see through dlinemen tbh. Flutie too. Vick? God knows how they ever completed a pass.

brees is the only one you can use as an argument tbh. he also is as different from JM as it gets and you know it. You have no size, no deep ball (35+ yd), no composure in the pocket and yet you want him in the first round.. that just makes no sense to me, it also makes no sense to say he is the best qb in the draft, it's not like he plays against the other qbs, he plays against the rest of the league. If you think the qb class is ty, then don't draft any in the first round. I understand drafting in the first round Carr, Teddy or Bortles but i can't understand how can you justify Manziel. And that doesn't mean any of those three is better than him.