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Philbilly-to-Graham will make Brees-to-Graham look like nothing, tbh
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...be-unfortunate
"Franchise tag would be unfortunate"
Philbilly-to-Graham will make Brees-to-Graham look like nothing, tbh
If he gets tagged, then he can't do anything about it
NFL has players locked up if they're willing to use the tag tbh.
I'm all for Jimmy getting paid and paid very well, but the reality is the Saints offense was just as good without him in previous years. he is the best receiving tight end in the game, but his blocking is average at best. not to mention the fact that he completely disappeared in the playoffs this season ... however it's not completely fair to judge him based on that because he was a beast in the 2011-12 playoffs. I'm just hoping he can get a nice payday with a contract that is mostly front loaded in the first year and then declining salaries in the remaining years. The Saints need to focus on the offensive line more than anything else......... oh and a kicker too.
in the last 5-10 years no other team in the NFL has been better at finding great talent for cheap than the Saints. particularly with finding receivers that no one else wanted. now of course a good chunk of the credit goes to Drew Brees for making them look good, but Payton and Loomis have done an outstanding job of finding guys for cheap. most notably ....
Jimmy Graham - late 3rd round pick
Marques Colston - late 7th round pick
Lance Moore - undrafted
Pierre Thomas - undrafted
Last edited by BRHornet45; 01-25-2014 at 10:48 PM.
^ Grief, stage one.
lol no son ... "Grief, stage one" is this .....
Joe Flacco
6 years, $120.6M
Guaranteed Signing Bonus - $29,000,000
Average Salary - $20,100,000
Stats
Games Started - 16
Passing Yards - 3,912 (11th)
Completion Percentage - 59% (27th)
Touchdowns - 19 (18th)
Interceptions - 22 (2nd)
QB Rating - 73.1 (32nd LMAO)
You realize Flacco smack doesn't work on me, right? I've been right there with everyone else hating that contract. I've never been a Flacco shill.
Anyways, I've been through what you could go through with Graham with Boldin. I'm trying to help, buddy, not hate.
and claiming grief with Graham doesn't work with me.
regardless ... the thread le is absurd and completely misleading.
surprise surprise at who made it.
^ Stage two, tbh.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-st...d-grief/000617
1. Denial and Isolation
The first reaction to learning of terminal illness or death of a cherished loved one is to deny the reality of the situation. It is a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock. We block out the words and hide from the facts. This is a temporary response that carries us through the first wave of pain.
2. Anger
As the masking effects of denial and isolation begin to wear, reality and its pain re-emerge. We are not ready. The intense emotion is deflected from our vulnerable core, redirected and expressed instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at inanimate objects, complete strangers, friends or family. Anger may be directed at our dying or deceased loved one. Rationally, we know the person is not to be blamed. Emotionally, however, we may resent the person for causing us pain or for leaving us. We feel guilty for being angry, and this makes us more angry.
Remember, grieving is a personal process that has no time limit, nor one “right” way to do it.
The doctor who diagnosed the illness and was unable to cure the disease might become a convenient target. Health professionals deal with death and dying every day. That does not make them immune to the suffering of their patients or to those who grieve for them.
Do not hesitate to ask your doctor to give you extra time or to explain just once more the details of your loved one’s illness. Arrange a special appointment or ask that he telephone you at the end of his day. Ask for clear answers to your questions regarding medical diagnosis and treatment. Understand the options available to you. Take your time.
3. Bargaining
The normal reaction to feelings of helplessness and vulnerability is often a need to regain control–
If only we had sought medical attention sooner…
If only we got a second opinion from another doctor…
If only we had tried to be a better person toward them…
Secretly, we may make a deal with God or our higher power in an attempt to postpone the inevitable. This is a weaker line of defense to protect us from the painful reality.
4. Depression
Two types of depression are associated with mourning. The first one is a reaction to practical implications relating to the loss. Sadness and regret predominate this type of depression. We worry about the costs and burial. We worry that, in our grief, we have spent less time with others that depend on us. This phase may be eased by simple clarification and reassurance. We may need a bit of helpful cooperation and a few kind words. The second type of depression is more subtle and, in a sense, perhaps more private. It is our quiet preparation to separate and to bid our loved one farewell. Sometimes all we really need is a hug.
5. Acceptance
Reaching this stage of mourning is a gift not afforded to everyone. Death may be sudden and unexpected or we may never see beyond our anger or denial. It is not necessarily a mark of bravery to resist the inevitable and to deny ourselves the opportunity to make our peace. This phase is marked by withdrawal and calm. This is not a period of happiness and must be distinguished from depression.
Loved ones that are terminally ill or aging appear to go through a final period of withdrawal. This is by no means a suggestion that they are aware of their own impending death or such, only that physical decline may be sufficient to produce a similar response. Their behavior implies that it is natural to reach a stage at which social interaction is limited. The dignity and grace shown by our dying loved ones may well be their last gift to us.
Coping with loss is a ultimately a deeply personal and singular experience — nobody can help you go through it more easily or understand all the emotions that you’re going through. But others can be there for you and help comfort you through this process. The best thing you can do is to allow yourself to feel the grief as it comes over you. Resisting it only will prolong the natural process of healing.
i'll change it
"Jimmy Graham is TRYING to bolt, but the Saints are tying him down, making him sink with their declining franchise"
yet nothing in that long ass copy and paste job that you took the precious time to Google and post has anything to do with anything posted in this thread.
I still can't believe Joe Flacco is making 20M a year. Ravens are truly ed for the long haul.
That "declining franchise" STILL won more playoff games this year than
He's been just as successful as Brees. If Drew's deal keeps the Saints from keeping their good players (notably Graham), I don't see how that's any better than what you're laughing at Baltimore about. Losing a season of Boldin sucked, but losing the rest of Graham's career could be devastating. The Ravens need to draft well on offense to make up for overpaying Flacco, but if the Saints are in bad cap shape while already paying their skill players peanuts, their future looks dark indeed.
no he hasn't.
Flacco signed his stupid contract and led the Ravens to 8-8 this year and put up absolutely shameful and pathetic numbers.
Brees led the Saints to 11-5 this year and into the second round of the playoffs and put up 5,100 yards 39 TD's, 12 INT.
Brees is Hall of Fame, top 5 QB of all time ... Flacco is nothing more than a glorified, average at best NFL QB..... then again .... Baltimore fans are used to glorifying below average garbage QB's like Diffler and Flacco.
oh and about Graham ... you're truly showing your ignorance about his impact on the Saints with all of this "losing the rest of Graham's career would be devastating" talk. if anything ... the Saints are getting the very best of his career in his younger years. he's going to be locked in for at least another year or two and will be entering his 30's after that.
you fall into that "ESPN-fan" / top 10 plays" category. the Saints were the best offense in the NFL before Graham arrived. he's not the reason they are successful. he is a huge part of the team, but he is replaceable just like 90% of the other players. again ... I want him here and Loomis will get it done, I'm just hoping it's not a crazy contract. Drew;s contract won't hurt anything because it was largely front loaded in the first year and he is willing to restructure it on a yearly basis if needed.
So you think the Steelers route of kicking the can down the road is the smart strategy? You're seriously bragging about that? Of course he's willing to restructure. Every player is willing to get their base salary turned into a bonus. I'm sure Flacco will be willing to restructure as well. It's great for the players, but it's a tool used extensively only by desperate teams trying to pry open a shrinking window.
Anyways, I didn't say Flacco is as good as Brees. He's not in the same ball park. I said he's been just as successful, and that's true. Same number of rings and a higher winning percentage. As much as I wish the Ravens had made a play for Brees over McNair in 2006, I wouldn't trade the Ravens' last six years for the Saints'.
And Brees had as many playoff wins the year he signed his big deal as Flacco had this year. I don't see why you're bragging about what he did in year two when the Ravens are likely to make the playoffs next year as well. Also, Baltimore is $12 Million under the cap with just Monroe and Pitta to sign and could have more by extending Suggs and releasing some dead weight. The Saints are $12 Million OVER while not paying their skill players anything and needing to reup their best play-maker.
For your ad homemin part, no, I'm not an "ESPN fan" who only has a superficial knowledge of the game. I don't really care about the Saints, and I don't pretend to. So I could indeed be overrating Graham. But I seem to understand the cap and CBA a lot better than you do. I'm also not nearly as big of a homer as you are. I can admit my team is going to be hurt due to giving on player a sixth of the cap without lashing out at other posters.
Last edited by Chinook; 01-26-2014 at 01:54 AM.
And Brees' deal is heavily BACKloaded, not frontloaded. They gave him a huge signing bonus and crazy escalators. The only saving grace of it is that he's easily cuttable after next season. However, if he restructures like you want him to, he'll be uncuttable until his final season, at which time he'd be taking up $31Million in cap space. They'll probably have to extend him so they can restructure him in 2015 as well.
The team is in cap with Drew only taking up $17 Million. They'll be in even worse shape when he takes up nearly twice that much.
Chinook regulating as usual
did you ever bother reading the facts?
"with a five-year, $100-million deal and $60 million in guaranteed money. The front-loaded contract paid Brees $40 million in 2012"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2rXbpqPmH
"The deal is quite front loaded--Drew is set to earn 40 million of the total 100 million in 2012 alone and 55 million out of the guaranteed 60 million before 2014."
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2012/7...th-new-orleans
"He has already gotten the Saints to raise their offer from a back-loaded deal worth around $18 million per year last summer, to a more front-loaded deal worth around $18.75 million per year in the spring, to the latest undisclosed offer that was made last month."
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...new_orlea.html
Last edited by BRHornet45; 01-26-2014 at 04:16 PM.
Lol, that is how you get confused. The contract is frontloaded in the sense Brees gets a ton of money up front. But cap-wise, the deal is backloaded, because the biggest cap hits come at the end. Almost all contracts are frontloaded in the way you mean (like Flacco's). Players don't sign deals in which they don't get their money up front.
http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/new-or...ts/drew-brees/
This is cap 101. And you call me an ESPN fan...
son that's how NFL contracts work. any big contract nowadays is usually going to effect the cap space more so later on in the deal.
you said the contract was back loaded and it's not. now I suppose you're going to try and spin it and say ... "well what I really meant was that it is front loaded in the cap sense!".
No. The cap is literally the only sense that matters. That's what determines how a team is hamstrung. Meaning thats why you're trying to criticize Baltimore. All big contracts are frontloaded in terms of cash. Flacco's, Ryan's Brees', Rogers'. Players don't sign big deal without upfront cash. It would have been news if his deal were actually front-loaded in cap. That's extremely rare, as is having a deal that's backloaded in cash.
You got caught not knowing anything about the cap and now you're trying to deflect by using semantics. The truth is the Saints are in cap in the early years of Brees' deal and will have to keep scrambling to just stay under the line. In two years when Flacco's cap number actually balloons, the Ravens will be in the position the Saints are in now.
no. no. no. you don't know everything little one. stop acting as if you do.
anyone with a brain can look at Brees contract (just like any other top QB) and realize that cap space is going to be a down the road. that's the price teams have to pay in today's QB driven NFL.... and Brees is worth every dime of it.
I laughed at Baltimore for signing an average QB at best in Joe Flacco to a contract like that because they are going to be stuck with an under achieving QB who will struggle to complete 60% of his passes, struggle to throw for 4,000 yards, and struggle to throw more touchdowns than interceptions. at least with the likes of Brees and Rodgers you're getting greatness for the money.
like I said before ... the Saints have been the best team in the NFL at finding talent for cheap. they will be fine and if needed Brees will restructure his contract. dude made $11M last year from his endorsements. he got most of his contract money in the first couple of years and will be willing to do what it takes to help. that alone is a huge plus when you consider that in today's world most athletes have a high sense of en lement and wouldn't even consider restructuring their contract.
They have alot of really good young players on offense and defense. You're trying to be misleading as usual.
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