Ayres was brought in to stretch the defense with his outside shooting touch, in turn, making Bonner expendable and come off the bench to help protect the rim. He does none of that. His only asset to the team so far has been his ability to make wide open dunks. He only makes those at a 60% clip which is atrocious. He's complete garbage. I'm not sure if Ayres was the worst signing but he ranks right up there as the most futile.
He's been dunking effectively, he's hitting the glass well, and he's shown both an occasional jumper, and the ability to finish around the rim with both hands. People here have actually called him overpaid, but he makes about 1/3 of the average NBA salary.
Ayres has had 1 impressive stretch all season, which was his defense against Anthony Davis..
Outside of that, he hasn't shown anything to make me believe he's an NBA rotation player, tbh..
Ayres is an up and coming superstar in this league, just like Kawhi.
Suits him since he catches about 1/3 of the passes.
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Not even close to the worst signings on the Spurs, but he's awful.
Like Harlem said, I've only been impressed with him during the New Orleans game where he guarded Davis very well.
He has his moments, but he's mostly been bad. I'm not convinced he's going to turn the corner. If I'm proven wrong, then so be it.
He is but, He was coming off a train wreck finish for the Wizards. They were who were a laughing stock at the time. It was unknown that he would revive his career.But he could have helped as a floor spacer.
He's better than Bonner
Absolutely terrible signing. I don't understand how someone that cannot even catch a basketball (you know the first thing you learn to do with a ball) is being paid to play in the NBA. It's ludicrous.
sounds like dwerts description tbh
It has much more to do that his ty hands. How about he try and put his hands up as someone 4 inches shorter than him drives to the basket. Jumping might help too. His rotations even when he makes them at the proper time, are worthless pieces of .
Which pairing is worse? Bonner/Blair or Bonner/Ayres. I am going with the latter.
If you think Baynes cannot run the floor as well if not better than Ayres then you are re ed. Baynes is athletic for his size.
Well, isn't that an efficient way to state an opinion.
There's more to the system than running the floor. You have to be quick on your feet, ignore fouling, make the right pass, and hit shots consistently (Whine all you want about those 4 missed dunks, Ayres is shooting 7ppg on .739% in the past 6 games.)
I just can't imagine Duncan/Baynes co-existing. Maybe Tiago/Baynes, but even then we're back to the problem where Baynes just isn't that good. And unlike Ayres, Baynes isn't quick enough to get himself open shots. Ayres is a silky kind of guy, he can sneak past defenders for an open dunk. Baynes on the other hand would just run over anyone in his path. Another factor is Baynes' compe ion, where Ayres plays against actual role players Baynes only gets time when bench warmers are on the floor. And even then Ayres is statically more efficient than Baynes in a good amount of aspects.
But I will admit, Baynes has some offensive talent that bursts signs of potential. He could be an asset if he worked on his overall mobility and learned to play within himself instead of trying to do too much (The fact he attempts more shots than Ayres in less time and worst percentages would be a vintage example of that.)
When have you seen Baynes 'just run over a guy?' It's the post not tiddly winks and anyone can run to the front of the rim when their man leaves them. Ayres 'sneaking,' my ass.
Baynes can hit a 15 foot jump shot. The only other bigs that can do that are Diaw and Duncan ie those are guys that can space the floor. That is what pairings are about. Things that players can actually do. Ayres gets his touches from other people spacing the floor and drawing double teams. You need to pair him with one of the guys that can shoot to work ie you cannot put Ayres with Splitter. Ayres' man will always be near the rim.
Most of what you say are emotional qualifications like 'not that good.' At least Baynes puts his hands up and tries to defend the rim and can create his own shot. , he even sets better screens.
People forget that we signed him for only $3,578,750 for 2 years. That's pretty cheap for what he produces.
Indiana wasn't willing to give him more than the minimum. That would be about right.
First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.
"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah". That's called running the offense. Any player can run up, set a screen for the ballhandler's guy and he'll end up wide open. Ayres can do it, Baynes can do it, Nando can do it, anyone. That's not being sneaky at all. And that small play is the only reason why Errors even sniffs the ball on offense, if he can catch it. I won't even bring up his defense because there's no point in bringing up that storm again.
And you hit the nail on the head about compe ion. Ayres' only "good" games came against the tiest compe ion in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.
I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.
First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.
"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah"
And you hit the nail on the head about compe ion. Ayres' only "good" games came against the tiest compe ion in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.
I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.Truthbomb.
Ayres is good at running around but his defensive instincts are pretty bad... Baynes = same skillset as Tim, defensive minded center with a midrange jumpshot, but somehow they felt like they needed a midget who is mostly good at running... I don't get it, never will. Same thing with Beli, Beli is the worst guard you could get, not a combo guard who can run the point next to Manu and not a defensive minded wing either...
First off, why would it be a Duncan/Baynes pairing? Diaw should be the one starting during this Splitter injury. Baynes should be Duncan's backup, plain and simple, with Ayres backing up Boner or preferably off the team.
"Ayres is a silky kind of guy, blah blah blah"
And you hit the nail on the head about compe ion. Ayres' only "good" games came against the tiest compe ion in the league, against the Bucks and Jazz(not counting his defense against Davis). And the only reason Baynes hasn't been allowed to go against the starters is because Pop is an idiot when it comes to playing him. He's had maybe 3-5 games where he got solid minutes all game. The only way Ayres' stats even look good is because he's just tagging along while the rest of the teams carries his useless ass.
I guarantee if Baynes had been playing the whole season like Errors has, he would've been a solid backup to Tim and there'd be just about no debate about it, except for the people who cry about every little thing. So we're stuck with an undersized PF who can't create his own shot, can't dream of playing defense, and is only here because of our new braindead assistant coach... instead of a much needed backup SF to Kawhi.
My argument was how Ayres isn't as bad as people make him out to be, and why he gets more time than Baynes. And the reason would be that he's quicker and he plays within himself, as Baynes chucks up a lot of shots during his limited time. Duncan wouldn't pair up well with that. If we're talking why Baynes should be a back-up big, then I can see your logic a bit more. He IS active in his minutes (6rpg in 17mpg in the past 3 games).
Here's a fun game - Lets make everything Ayres does positive sound like , and make anything Baynes does well glorified and franchise saving despite going against much weaker compe ion. ST seems to have fun playing that.
There was a point where this thread was justifiable but to his credit ayers has improved a good amount over the course of the season. Clearly his hands are his weakness tho, as he often can't make the catch or blows the dunk
Catching passes from TP and especially Manu aren't always easily. Especially in traffic where he usually catches it. I've seen TD fumble some of those passes despite playing with them for so long. I don't know why people don't see that lol. Dude is in his first season and still trying to adapt to where they pass. And let's be honest, sometimes the passes are low and not put in a good position. Did he bobble a few catchable ones? of course... But nobody on the team doesn't make mistakes. His are just incredibly magnified for whatever reason.
What they need to do is treat him how Chandler was in New Orleans and just lob it up instead of a bounce pass. He has a better chance of catching/ finishing that.
Ayres worse feature is defense because he doesn't have that killer instinct. He doesn't contest enough shots, doesn't have a physicality to him and is more so trying to draw a charge which he ends up getting put on his ass with an and 1.
His hands can be improved with practice but this dude is too much of a project for production especially at 27. Doesn't make sense how he leap frogged Baynes in minutes.
I think Ayres was a "well we went after athleticism" move by front office after the fact.
Lobs? That's not the way the spurs do business
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