Fundamentalist Schools Using "Nessie" To Disprove Evolution

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"When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take."

duh

"Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using"

duh

"as dishonest as religion is"

WTF? how is referencing an article that exposes Accelerated Christian Indoctrination "dishonest"?

"It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live."

Moore and Coulter are equivalent in their methods is FALSE.

"Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian."

The message is very clear that Ronny IS a prick AND is NOT a Christian. The implication, by the ACI pricks, is clear that he is a prick BECAUSE he isn't a Christian. iow, be a Christian, don't be a prick.

"The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect."

Self-respect was not mentioned or implied in the cartoon. Mom was tricking her daughter out of the short skirt without HONESTLY telling her why.

"whatever bull agenda you're pushing this time"

referencing an article exposing ACE as indoctrination into Biblical bull , outright falsehoods, gender-based roles (only men paint, "Christian" women don't fix mechanical stuff, don't demand equal rights and pay, blacks STFU and obey The White Man) is bull ? Well, you really ACEd me on that one.

ACE can indoctrinate as much as they want, as long at taxpayer dollars are not financing ACE.

Now matter who pays for it, ACE is abusing its authority as educator, lying to young, naive, trusting kids.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Textbooks of some state-funded Christian schools praise the Ku Klux Klan.

The violent, racist organisation, which still exists in the US, advocates white supremacy, white nationalism and anti-immigration.

One excerpt from Bob Jones University Press American history textbook has been reported as saying: "the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."

[Blake]

Lol "Jesus doesn't want me to smoke even one cigarette"

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History[edit]

Accelerated Christian Education was founded in 1970 by Dr. Donald Howard and his first wife Esther.^[5] They set about developing abiblically literalisteducational curriculum that was adopted by a number of private Christian schools.

He traveled extensively to promote ACE schools, viewing the establishment of ACE schools around the world as a new form of missions — he called it educational missions. According to information on the Accelerated Christian Education website, the Howards opened the first school to use the ACE program in Garland, Texas.^[5]

They started with 45 students. By 1971, they had added six new schools.<sup>[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceler...tian_Education</sup>

Dr Donald Ray Howard, 79, Lewisville, TX, formerly of Topeka, died Tuesday, February 5, 2013.

He was born November 27, 1933 in Topeka, KS, the son of LaVerne Glenn and Mildred Norrean (Mellinger) Howard. He was a 1951 graduate of Topeka High School, served in the U.S. Marine Corps, graduated from Washburn University and received his PhD. from Bob Jones University.

A man of unique vision and leadership his life’s pursuit was the perfecting of individual education and developing innovative tools that transformed education internationally. He was founder of the Calvary College, Accelerated Christian Education, School of Tomorrow, and School of Reform.

http://www.penwellgabeltopeka.com/obituary.aspx?src=choice&obitid=64897

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Republicans blitz four states with five creationism bills so far this year

Republican legislators in four states have introduced five bills so far this year that would allow teachers to teach creationism alongside the theory of evolution.

South Dakota Republicans introduced a Senate bill on Wednesday that would that would forbid school boards or administrators from acting to prohibit teachers from “providing instruction on intelligent design or other related topics.”

The broadly worded statute clearly violates federal law, according to the head of a science education advocacy group.


Lawmakers in Oklahoma and Virginia are considering similar measures, while Missouri has two separate bills under consideration.

Virginia’s broadly written measure encourages teachers to present scientific controversies and analyze the strengths and weaknesses of a scientific theory without interference from school officials.

Similar measures in Oklahoma and Missouri would encourage teachers with “idiosyncratic opinions to teach anything they pleased,” the NCSE said.


A House bill in Missouri would mandate equal class time for “intelligent design” alongside science instruction in public schools, including introductory courses at colleges and universities.


www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/31/republicans-blitz-four-states-with-five-creationism-bills-so-far-this-year/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+(The+Raw+Story)

ignorant, bad faith, stupid Bible-thumpers

[RandomGuy]

When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take. Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using, which are just as dishonest as religion is. It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live.

Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian. He's bad because he's a prick. You don't have to be a Christian to not be a prick and douchbaggery isn't exclusive to any god belief or lack thereof.

The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect.

These are elementary concepts that seem to get lost on the militant theist or atheist or whatever bull agenda you're pushing this time.

"provide the humanistic, worldly aspect of life. These two personalities 'show up' throughout the inserts as examples of the consequences of unrighteous living."

Sorry, the conclusion is supported by the quote given.

These are very radical Christians who really do hew to this as the underlying subtext. If one were to get an honest answer out of the authors as to the why's of the lesson, you would get close to that.

Don't underestimate the outgrowths of the concept of original sin. It is a very ugly concept that drives a rather depressing view of human nature.

[RandomGuy]

I don't have a problem with parents teaching kids according to their beliefs. That seems to be a basic tenet of freedom in fact. I do have a problem when they try to make hocus pocus magic bull into the public school curriculum.

I think publicly funded schools should teach the basics of knowledge, not belief. There's some epistemological grey areas between the two but that's neither here nor there.

The problem though, is that the "hocus pocus" beliefs guide some of the values taught. The "woo" and the values can be so intertwined as to be inseparable.

That is the problem with trying to claim the bible is a moral "system" or some sort of moral guide. It isn't. It is a series of contradictory moral pronouncements, some of which are outright evil.

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in' Nessie deniers.

[Blake]

When you quote an article and you don't offer a comment, you're using it as your take. Therefore you're using the conclusions that article is using, which are just as dishonest as religion is. It's like the Moore/Coulter concept, basically, but that's where you live.

Ronny isn't bad because he's not Christian. He's bad because he's a prick. You don't have to be a Christian to not be a prick and douchbaggery isn't exclusive to any god belief or lack thereof.

The dress code issue isn't about blaming women for a man's desires. It's about a girl having self respect.

These are elementary concepts that seem to get lost on the militant theist or atheist or whatever bull agenda you're pushing this time.

Dunno man. The Christian school I went to pretty much implied that short skirts were gateway drugs.

[DMC]

Dunno man. The Christian school I went to pretty much implied that short skirts were gateway drugs.

Implied?

[DMC]

The problem though, is that the "hocus pocus" beliefs guide some of the values taught. The "woo" and the values can be so intertwined as to be inseparable.

That is the problem with trying to claim the bible is a moral "system" or some sort of moral guide. It isn't. It is a series of contradictory moral pronouncements, some of which are outright evil.

What's the difference between hocus pocus and "because I said so"?

[Blake]

And since it was baptist, there was no dancing, because dancing leads to drinking, drinking leads to premarital sex, premarital sex leads to the devil.

[Blake]

Implied?

It was never formally written that was the reason for prohibiting short skirts, but administration and teachers would say it.

But then my school may have been the radical exception.

[DMC]

And since it was baptist, there was no dancing, because dancing leads to drinking, drinking leads to premarital sex, premarital sex leads to the devil.

Sex out of wedlock is a sin. When you're in a religious environment, you will encounter religious ideals.

[Blake]

Sex out of wedlock is a sin. When you're in a religious environment, you will encounter religious ideals.

But dancing isn't a sin

[DMC]

But dancing isn't a sin

Neither is nudity.

[Blake]

Neither is nudity.

Debatable, 1 Timothy 2:9 women should wear modest clothes

But that's not the point. The point is that southern baptists like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to, even if those acts aren't really sins

[DMC]

Debatable, 1 Timothy 2:9 women should wear modest clothes

But that's not the point. The point is that southern baptists like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to, even if those acts aren't really sins

Doesn't make it a sin not to. Paul said women should be quiet in church. It's not a sin to disobey Paul.

Parents like to preach what certain acts can potentially lead to. If you're part of a flock, the Shepard's job is to protect you and "guide" you just as a parent does for a child. Part of that is "don't cross the street" as that may lead to lots of problems you want to avoid.

My point is that there are underlying reasons even in religion that people tie these things together, and you cannot just single out religion as having that tendency. It's more of a social method. We've learned cause and effect and try to eliminate the cause. Often we get on a slippery slope or path of infinite regression and suddenly you can no longer rationally tie the stated cause with the effect.

Example: Don't go to bars because bars have alcohol and alcohol makes you intoxicated and driving drunk kills people. So, had they not gone to the bar in the first place, JR Smith's friend might still be alive (or whatever).

It sounds more reasonable to say "don't drink and drive" but then why go to bars if you're not going to drink? Ah, a designated driver... With sin I don't think there's a designated out though. If you dance you're getting edPERIOD.

[RandomGuy]

What's the difference between hocus pocus and "because I said so"?

Not sure what you are trying to ask here.

I give my kids almost no "because I said so"s.

Whenever I talk to them about wrong or right in moral terms, I tend to simply ask questions to get them to utilize their sense of empathy, and put themselves in others' shoes.

It seems to be working out so far.

[DMC]

So if you don't teach a child the difference between right and wrong, do you think they will automatically know it through empathy?