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    The problem with you is that you're stuck in the NBA of 10-15 years ago. Tim, himself, is a bit of a dinosaur. Big lumbering 7 footers are a bit of an oddity these days. Both Diaw and Ayres are currently "right sized" for power forwards.
    Yes they are, the thing is though right sized or not Ayres is garbage

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    Yes they are, the thing is though right sized or not Ayres is garbage
    But isn't he what everyone was crying for when Blair was playing? A bigger PF who can dunk and finish around the rim?

    Be careful what you wish for.

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    But isn't he what everyone was crying for when Blair was playing? A bigger PF who can dunk and finish around the rim?

    Be careful what you wish for.
    I didn't know that catching the ball had to be included with that criteria. Plus he's such a pansy defensively

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    But isn't he what everyone was crying for when Blair was playing? A bigger PF who can dunk and finish around the rim?

    Be careful what you wish for.
    From what I read, people wanted a taller PF/C who could defend the paint and have decent footwork/hands on offense. Blair did have some sort of offense, even if it was thrown back in his face half the time. He was just too short. Pendergraph is basically a tall Gary Neal who can't shoot or pretend to dribble.

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    But isn't he what everyone was crying for when Blair was playing? A bigger PF who can dunk and finish around the rim?

    Be careful what you wish for.
    I did want that but had no clue who Pendergraph was

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    Basically, what it comes down to for these low bench guys is that they are discovered to be imperfect, and the board wants someone else, who they will discover is imperfect, and they want someone else..........

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    The problem with you is that you're stuck in the NBA of 10-15 years ago. Tim, himself, is a bit of a dinosaur. Big lumbering 7 footers are a bit of an oddity these days. Both Diaw and Ayres are currently "right sized" for power forwards.
    Did you ever consider the possibility that the "Twin Tower model being replaced with smallball" philosophy is only implemented through LeBron's reign? Remember, before his first le in 2012, every NBA champ for the past decade or so had at least three 7-ft bigmen with one at PF. Even today, with the aftermath of Bynum's signing with Indiana, one could make a case for the Pacers being the absolute bar none favorite to dethrone the Heat, who have tremendous difficulty with big lineups, and win it all.

    It is only through LeBron and Wade's sheer force of talent and will that have enabled the Heat to barely prevail over the established Twin Tower model and perhaps make this new Smallball model being the road to success as merely an illusion.

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    Did you ever consider the possibility that the "Twin Tower model being replaced with smallball" philosophy is only implemented through LeBron's reign? Remember, before his first le in 2012, every NBA champ for the past decade or so had at least three 7-ft bigmen with one at PF. Even today, with the aftermath of Bynum's signing with Indiana, one could make a case for the Pacers being the absolute bar none favorite to dethrone the Heat, who have tremendous difficulty with big lineups, and win it all.

    It is only through LeBron and Wade's sheer force of talent and will that have enabled the Heat to barely prevail over the established Twin Tower model and perhaps make this new Smallball model being the road to success as merely an illusion.
    It's not the just Heat. This has been inevitable since they changed the hand checking rules in 2004-2005. It just took a while to become ins utionalized. Unless they change the rules again, it's here to stay.

    I also think that advanced stats figured into it. Seven footers aren't that common, so if you can implement an offense based on quality 3 point shots, that is scoring as efficient as a Shaq level banger down in the post, with the bonus that the lane is unclogged for penetrating guards and wing players.

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    The problem with you is that you're stuck in the NBA of 10-15 years ago. Tim, himself, is a bit of a dinosaur. Big lumbering 7 footers are a bit of an oddity these days. Both Diaw and Ayres are currently "right sized" for power forwards.
    Baynes is not a lumbering 7 footer, he's actually pretty mobile. And even besides that point, the problem comes in that Pop prefers these "right sized" power forwards playing out of position at center which turns the defense into swiss cheese. And teams are running layup / tip-in drills.

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    It's not the just Heat. This has been inevitable since they changed the hand checking rules in 2004-2005. It just took a while to become ins utionalized. Unless they change the rules again, it's here to stay.

    I also think that advanced stats figured into it. Seven footers aren't that common, so if you can implement an offense based on quality 3 point shots, that is scoring as efficient as a Shaq level banger down in the post, with the bonus that the lane is unclogged for penetrating guards and wing players.
    That actually reminded me of the 2009 Orlando team that made it to the Finals but we all know of their fate. Although you may be right and convincing in that regard, but I must state that only history will truly convince me. The hand checking rules and advanced stats cover the entire season and, based on the number of games, would factor more into the regular season rather than the postseason which becomes much more post-oriented and hence more physical. History has shown me two things that lead to my stance: 1. the list of NBA champs who don't have LeBron or Wade (with exception to 2006 Heat team) and 2. the sudden rising of the Spurs as once-again contenders the moment Pop replaced Blair with Splitter in the lineup and the instant defensive impact it gave the Spurs.

    Besides, in regards to the phrase "defense win championships", if there was ever a second component that needed to be included in that phrase, it would be rebounding. What better way could the Twin Tower model serve if not for that?
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    That actually reminded me of the 2009 Orlando team that made it to the Finals but we all know of their fate. Although you may be right and convincing in that regard, but I must state that only history will truly convince me. The hand checking rules and advanced stats cover the entire season and, based on the number of games, would factor more into the regular season rather than the postseason which becomes much more post-oriented and hence more physical. History has shown me two things that lead to my stance: 1. the list of NBA champs who don't have LeBron or Wade (with exception to 2006 Heat team) and 2. the sudden rising of the Spurs as once-again contenders the moment Pop replaced Blair with Splitter in the lineup and the instant defensive impact it gave the Spurs.

    Besides, in regards to the phrase "defense win championships", if there was ever a second component that needed to be included in that phrase, it would be rebounding. What better way could the Twin Tower model serve if not for that?
    It's just not that easy to find skilled 7 footers who WANT to play in the post. KG started that revolution. Everyone, even the tall ones, want to play facing the basket now. The pipeline is almost empty. It takes time to develop a quality big, and no one stays in school any more.

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    Dude is garbage. 26 y/o player learning how to catch a ball, c'mon.

    Burn this freaking church. He wasn't even worth a Crap Chapel in Vegas thread.

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    It's just not that easy to find skilled 7 footers who WANT to play in the post. KG started that revolution. Everyone, even the tall ones, want to play facing the basket now. The pipeline is almost empty. It takes time to develop a quality big, and no one stays in school any more.
    Good point there. It seems now that the only decent and competent 7-foot interior players in the draft nowadays are #1 overall and that's in a draft every two or three years or so.

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    Pender ting on jeebus with that free throw.

    uh huh!

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    Release this piece of already

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    plays 6 mins in a double overtime game. This D-League quality scrub was so bad, TD was forced to play 40 mins

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    1 pt and 4 rebounds tonight from Ayres. Amazing performance. Really stepped up in Duncan's absence.

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    I am personally burning this church down with all its members in it à la The Patriot.

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    Get rid of both him and Boylen

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    It seems his catching practise with tennis balls still isn't working.....the dude can't catch to save his life.

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    Just the most useless player the Spurs have had for at least the last Decade.. I mean seriously.

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    Man up, es. He's killing it tonight.

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    Man up, es. He's killing it tonight.
    A 6 pt/3 reb game against the Bobcats is gonna make us forget the 40 bad games he's had this year?

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    Nando outscored him. Patty outrebounded him. What are you so proud of?

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    One game doesn't change anything.

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