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God, you're re ed. It's simple math: we were down one big, but we were down three wings. Of COURSE the d-league wing plays before the d-league big.
Never thought I'd say it but Ayres makes Blair look like Tyson Chandler.
Regardless of injury situation, its not like there aren't other options available. Pop could have used a 3 guard lineup which would actually make having a 7 footer like Baynes patrolling the paint more necessary. It's not like he's never used a 3 guard lineup before. He even recently experimented with other unorthodox lineups such Diaw at the 3. So quit pretending like its such a cut and dry situation just to prove some idiotic point.
Baynes has been pretty awful, he fouls as much as a "Walker"bites (Walking Dead reference) as i mentioned per 36 minutes his block to foul ratio is .4 to 5.2. He is the only player to player at least 250 minutes for the Spurs and have a net rating in the negative (-6). His defensive rating is actually the same as Mills (104) but Mills is a +10.
I'd much rather go small than have either of them play meaningful minutes.
But...but...he's BIG!
I preferred Blair honestly. On intangibles alone. Any spur fan that says they didn't enjoy and appreciate his bench theatrics is full of it
yeah but numbers like this don't tell the real story when you only play scrub minutes and sporadic ones at that. Do they change if he is around more starting talent?
and listen I am not a baynes supporter. I think he plods way too much. But I don't think ayres really deserves so many minutes.
have all 22,000 of your posts come from just being an ass and not really contributing to much? You seem to be a message board leach
You're deviating from the great story that has been contructed at ST. If you don't mind son we need to keep up the façade that Baynes has been given even one piddly ass chance as a steady rotation player in at least a couple straight games *not counting preseason or charity events*. Better yet that we pretend Pop loves him more than Bonner and has given him multiple chances and steady minutes for hundreds of games for years and years and years. That way with a gleeful cackle we can drop his numbers under the microscope and find major faults in them. That fits the story line better and allows the likes of Pop's favorite backup centers (the prototype 6'8" guys who are "thletic" or can "hit the trey" to keep getting burn and we can oooo and ahhhh bout dem 3's and how "thletic" Ayyrrors looks out there.
The Blair project might have worked had he been kept in the 2nd unit and paired with somebody who was at least halfway proficient at defending and protecting the rim where he could focus on his few major talents and not have to square off against starting quality bigs (well at least while his ACL-less knees were somewhat limber). I always advocated for him and McDyess in the 2nd unit because the two showed outstanding chemistry together but nobody ever got to see it on the regular because Pop was continually shuffling lineups with completely mismatched big pairings (Blair and Bonner, anyone?). That pairing alone probably got 200X more the minutes over the years and that's not even a joke. That's just how stupid Gregg Popovich is, folks.
would rather see this guy get a chance, tbh.
i feel like history will judge pop harshly for the bonner years
i couldn't hate on blair even though i knew he had to leave. he was a solid character. i remember in the first round last year, dwight tried to elbow cojo in frustration. blair got up in his face...dwight suddenly had to go to the free throw line to start practicing. it was important
This is what I am talking about. giving him an opportunity to play with starters and get a good amount of minutes in meaningful time, He actually looks decent.
but we want to judge what he does in scrub time with all backups in a game that is over and no semblence of an offense is being run.
i got into it with Fuzzy Lumpin about it. In the NBA and D league he has shown only 1 valuable skill (rebounding). Even in garbage minutes (not all of those mintues were garbage, he does see minutes occasionally in the 2nd quarter of games) he looks mediocre at best.
Ayers problem is turnovers (team high 23% T.O percentage) Baynes is his fouls(5.2). If you're going to be out their he has to due a better job of protecting the paint without fouling.
Pop has given him opportunites (I.E. the @GSW game) he hasn't impressed.
I think ST has been craving a physical big so much, that they ignore all his flaws and blame Pop for his lack of playing time. He hasn't earned it.
I'm not accusing you of being in that category BTW & I agree Ayers is played too much. At this point, he is what he is and its not very good.
Too bad Ayers is likely on the team next season,unless the Spurs can include him in deal that would help us acquire a player on large deal (that would save the other team cash in the long term)
Really because he averages like 20 points a game in the Dleague. yet rebounding is the only skill he has shown?
and getting scattered minutes is not regular 2nd quarter minutes to prove anything.
You make me feel dirty standing up for baynes as I believe that he is an adequate player only. But I don't think he has been given a fair chance, no matter how much you think he has.
one game? that's all they're giving these days to players so they can prove themselves? someone needs to tell Pop though because the whole team should be benched.
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Kind of telling that Pop didn't play him tonight, despite his nice showing against the Pelicans in the last meeting, tbh..
Hope it's an ongoing trend now.
Please!
Bonner with instrumental minutes to close the last two games == NO ERRORS
Splitter vs Errors is night and day in the pick and roll
Splitter always looks so open rolling to the basket and he really frees up the guards on the pick
and Baynes isnt foul prone to the guy above who said he was
he only gets played in Hack a Dwight type situations which is why he picks up a lot of fouls
We go into it with you repeating the same drivel aand when I would rebut you would say you didn't want to talk about it anymore after you repeated your initial assertions.
He was shown more than just the GSW games and he has had good games and bad games. That being said if you think 8 stints as more that a cameo is enough to evaluate a player then you are a fool.
The foul discussion is dumb. Look at his game log and how many games of ~5 mins 2 fouls do you see? It's garbage time and for all of Spurs garbage time being less a cluster then most, when you are coming off the end of the bench and only have 5 mins to play then you know you can be overaggressive and get away with it. At the end of the day though, that is the go to stat that you use to evaluate Baynes.
Fixating on outliers seems to be your gig though. I really enjoyed you making up stats like blocks per foul or whatever that nonsense was as well as discussing dleague stats in an NBA context with no real normalization. For the most part what you really are doing is regurgitating groupthink from exstatic and tpark and the like.
not to mention that baynes is put in just to foul sometimes
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