NFC teams that would have beat Denver in the SB this year

[DeadlyDynasty]

but i applaud you, marvelous work, taking a personal shot

1. You did it to yourself when you posted that...All's fair, and your petulant at ude was an easy reason to spot why you got the shaft
2. You didn't successfully argue he was great. You told me "what could've been" had he had more responsibility. I told you like it is. Post his #'s at 29-0 (has Peyton ever come back from that, and subsequently, or has the LOB ever given a lead even close to that? No, then we're in agreement it was iced at that point) If his #'s at 29-0 reflect that of a "great" performance, than I suggest you take a long hard look at what that word means.

[spurraider21]

Again, you're hiding behind semantics. Why would you even bother to go through all that bull just to illustrate how much you thought he was "so "great", despite being the clear 3rd most important reason for victory. I said he wasn't and illustrated why (all but 6 of his pts came in bull time).

bull . i have not hid behind semantics whatsoever. you keep bringing up where his game stacked up as far as role in the victory, which i have NOT. ONCE. ARGUED. all i have said was that wilson played a great game. the seahawks offense scored 13 points, not 6 in the first half. you seem to be ignoring a touchdown drive where Wilson was 2-2 passing and threw a pass that drew a pass interference penalty resulting in a touchdown. Marshawn Lynch (5 carries for 8 yards on the drive) punched it in for a 1 yard touchdown. the seahawks offense scored on every possession in the first half, minus the last 50 seconds where they just ran the clock out.

So you're understanding is that he was "great" in compiling 6 pts with the game over at 29-0, or that he became great with the garbage time TDs and ulative yards (so much of which came on incredible YAC--including both TDS).

the offense had put up 13 points, not 6, and had scored on every possession to that point

If 6 pts when the game essentially ended id your barometer for greatness, than yeah--this conversation's about over.

13 points in the first half, and every drive led to points. going 4/6 on third downs is a pretty good number in the meantime

[spurraider21]

1. You did it to yourself when you posted that...All's fair, and your petulant at ude was an easy reason to spot why you got the shaft
2. You didn't successfully argue he was great. You told me "what could've been" had he had more responsibility. I told you like it is. Post his #'s at 29-0 (has Peyton ever come back from that, and subsequently, or has the LOB ever given a lead even close to that? No, then we're in agreement it was iced at that point) If his #'s at 29-0 reflect that of a "great" performance, than I suggest you take a long hard look at what that word means.

sure, i posted it, and everybody can see it. if you want to take a shot about it, that thread is still open. taking a personal shot during an argument is one of the most atrocious fallacies there are.

[DeadlyDynasty]

bull . i have not hid behind semantics whatsoever. you keep bringing up where his game stacked up as far as role in the victory, which i have NOT. ONCE. ARGUED. all i have said was that wilson played a great game. the seahawks offense scored 13 points, not 6 in the first half. you seem to be ignoring a touchdown drive where Wilson was 2-2 passing and threw a pass that drew a pass interference penalty resulting in a touchdown. Marshawn Lynch (5 carries for 8 yards on the drive) punched it in for a 1 yard touchdown. the seahawks offense scored on every possession in the first half, minus the last 50 seconds where they just ran the clock out.


the offense had put up 13 points, not 6, and had scored on every possession to that point

13 points in the first half, and every drive led to points. going 4/6 on third downs is a pretty good number in the meantime

Yeah, so he was given the ball on a short field, completed 2 passes, didn't get the TD and you conveniently want to blow him for that TD. Sorry, not how it works. Again, your fanboism knows no bounds and you get very emotional and try to stretch undue praise onto gift-wrapped W.

If RW dropped dead before the game, the Seahawks still win going away. Fact.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, so he was given the ball on a short field, completed 2 passes, didn't get the TD and you conveniently want to blow him for that TD. Sorry, not how it works. Again, your fanboism knows no bounds and you get very emotional and try to stretch undue praise onto gift-wrapped W.

no. just no. a running back poaching a 1 yard touchdown does NOT mean the qb does not get credit for that offensive drive. they started on a short field, and the qb engineered a touchdown drive. otherwise, how the did you credit wilson for the 6 earlier points? i mean haushka kicked the field goals, not wilson. you just seem asshurt because you forgot that the seahawks offense had 13 points, not 6

If RW dropped dead before the game, the Seahawks still win going away. Fact.

again resorting a completely irrelevant argument and has nothing to do with what i am saying

[DeadlyDynasty]

sure, i posted it, and everybody can see it. if you want to take a shot about it, that thread is still open. taking a personal shot during an argument is one of the most atrocious fallacies there are.

I've been saying that the entire time, dumbass. Being responsible for 6 points--or should we add another 7 and then subtract 3 or whatever from Harvin's plays?--in the midst of a blowout is "great", well then...good for you. Doesn't make any goddamn sense and cheapens the word, but we clearly didn't learn the same definition growing up. That's all. Since we started, most of my points referenced in some way or another his contributions to the game in it's compe ive state (be it in passing with MVP talks, or otherwise).

[spurraider21]

I've been saying that the entire time, dumbass. Being responsible for 6 points--or should we add another 7 and then subtract 3 or whatever from Harvin's plays?--in the midst of a blowout is "great", well then...good for you. Doesn't make any goddamn sense and cheapens the word, but we clearly didn't learn the same definition growing up. That's all.

the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 ing times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives

[DeadlyDynasty]

the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 ing times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives

Evading the question, what were his raw #'s when it was over at 29-0 after that Harvin score? If they're truly as great as you say they are they will speak for themselves and resound with greatness and his name shall be spoken with reverent tones throughout the land.

[spurraider21]

Evading the question, what were his raw #'s when it was over at 29-0 after that Harvin score? If they're truly as great as you say they are they will speak for themselves and resound with greatness and his name shall be spoken with reverent tones throughout the land.

at that point he had 2 possessions that started on his side of the field. unless you wanted him to magically conjure up methods to acquire more possessions, then i guess his raw #'s are out of luck.

in the first half he was 9/14 passing for 94 yards and 2 rushes for 10 yards, while going 4-6 on third downs. the offense had put up 13 points in 3 possessions to this point.

[spurraider21]

by the way you forgot to mention how i ever went in circles or changed my argument. do you want me to quote all my posts from this thread again, or can you answer that

[DeadlyDynasty]

the seahawks offense put up points 5 of the 6 first times they had the ball, with 3 touchdowns and 2 field goals (not including defense/special teams). wilson was accurate all game, with his first attempt being the only notable mishap. he was money on third downs. sure, i'd call that a great game for him.

you keep bringing up "the point where the game ended." at that point, he had the ball 3 ing times, and took the team on 3 scoring drives

You can't even help yourself with wording it. "Led" to 15 points, none of which came from his own hand. Short fields, Percy Harvin, and Lynch carrying it in. Again, you can't separate yourself from the moment. Just post post the #'s already, not this dog and pony show filled with suppositions and undue praise. 29-0 after Harvin (again, pretty obvious the game was OVER at this point). Post his #'s when the game was "in doubt" as well as the #'s after that. I'm curious, and want to learn your barometer of greatness

[DeadlyDynasty]

at that point he had 2 possessions that started on his side of the field. unless you wanted him to magically conjure up methods to acquire more possessions, then i guess his raw #'s are out of luck. in the first half he was 9/14 passing for 94 yards and 2 rushes for 10 yards, while going 4-6 on third downs.

Pretty much...you just can't in good conscious call that great with a straight face. Short fields, 2 stalled drives, one ref-aided PI that led to Lynch scoring and a 29-0 lead for all his troubles. Truly inspirational greatness.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Have a good one, b...will continue tonight.

[MeloHype]

Richard "shutdown except Demaryius has 12 catches on me" Sherman

Sherman only allowed 1 catch, and he was in zone coverage on that play

[FYM]

waiting for more, tbh

count me in but I was saying that before too

[spurraider21]

Pretty much...you just can't in good conscious call that great with a straight face. Short fields, 2 stalled drives, one ref-aided PI that led to Lynch scoring and a 29-0 lead for all his troubles. Truly inspirational greatness.

stalled drives... where he got them down the field in the first place while beast mode couldn't do jack . his 3rd down numbers were incredible, and his offense scored every time they had the ball. and giving lynch the credit on a dirve where he had 5 carries for 8 yards. i've seen mike alstott plunge many a 1-yard touchdowns, but i wouldn't have said he led the Bucs on those scoring drives. gimme a break. Ref aided PI???? the db had BOTH of his hands on the guy with his arms extended the entire way.

[spurraider21]

again you can be a typical box score junky and cry about the raw numbers, but anybody with a half a brain would account for the fact that they only had 3 possessions to work with the entire half, and they scored 3 times. in the 2nd half they scored TD's on 2 of their first 3 offensive possessions as well. you can dismiss those due to the state of the game, but its still the ing superbowl and he showed up to not allow a Colts-Chief's esque comeback to even be a remote possibility

[DeadlyDynasty]

stalled drives... where he got them down the field in the first place while beast mode couldn't do jack . his 3rd down numbers were incredible, and his offense scored every time they had the ball. and giving lynch the credit on a dirve where he had 5 carries for 8 yards. i've seen mike alstott plunge many a 1-yard touchdowns, but i wouldn't have said he led the Bucs on those scoring drives. gimme a break. Ref aided PI???? the db had BOTH of his hands on the guy with his arms extended the entire way.

Again, bending the narrative to fit your made-up level of greatness. "Where he got them down the field" Yeah, 2 short fields, one made drastically shorter by Harvin's run. Also, that PI was on a pass that was uncatchable--giving RW credit for that is shameless--especially when you wanna detract from Marshawn getting the actual TD.

Everytime you on Lynch for not producing against an 8-man box (clear cut focal point of the D), you detract from RW's first half #'s even more. It wasn't possible to face a more pass-friendly defense then he did, and he got maybe six points out of it while it was still a game. You can't give him all 13 when you factor in Harvin, the fact he had no TD passes in that half and the PI call was on an uncatchable ball(), AND he was given great FP every time

The Chiefs game has nothing to do with this game, but I'll indulge you: Pretty sure Peyton/anybody in SB history has never comeback from 29 pts down, and the Seahawks only once gave up more than even 24 pts an ENTIRE GAME this year (Luck's Colts, 34). So again, "anybody with half a brain" knew it was over after the Harvin KO. After the Harvin KO, he acquired both TDS and over 50% of his passing yds in garbage time--or if garbage is too sensitive a term for you--THE TIME WHEN THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME WAS NO LONGER IN DOUBT.

You can't spin greatness out of that with a straight face, sorry.

Since we're looking at games that have nothing to do with this one, can we send Alex Smith's game jersey to Canton from that WC game? That was greatness 3x over according to the established standards here.

[spurraider21]

5 scoring drives in his first 6 possessions. 3 touchdown drives in 6 possessions. you accused me of box score watching and you are looking at raw numbers without realizing how few possessions they had in the first 3 quarters of the game

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm accusing you of not knowing what greatness is, essentially.

So all his 3rd down throws that you rave about in the compe ive portion of the game (4-6 liike you said, right?) were on the first 2 drives...FG drives, one of which was Harvin's doing

9-14, 94 yds, 0 tds. No drive was over 60 yards in that timeframe thanks to defense and ST excellence, and yet his proudest work came on 2 FG drives against the Broncos D. Two stalled drives that you blamed on Lynch because he had to go against stacked run D's.

This is what you define as greatness.

OTOH, his stat-padding was great, I gotta say: 9-11, 102 yds, 2 tds in the post 29-0 aftermath.

[HI-FI]

good thing spurraider going to law school, might as well get paid for the arguing.

[spurraider21]

you can disregard the latter stats as unimportant but its still the big stage and the ing superbowl . maybe if alex smith did a better job stat padding the chiefs would have made the 2nd round

you keep railing on the guy because he didn't have the ball for much of the first half. he had 3 possessions and they scored 3 times. thats that. in his first 6 drives the offense had 3 td's and 2 fg's. in a game where lynch was sucking balls outside of one 18 yard run on their own half of the field, yeah i'd call that great. you will literally struggle to find a drive where the seahawks didn't score

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you wanna rave about his "deadliness" on 3rd down throws that contributed to 6 pts in compe ive time (along with Harvin's top play), more power to ya buddy.

If you wanna rave about his 2 " you" td's in garbage time we can do that too. "Lynch sucked balls" because he was running into a wall all night

Denver clearly saw the game tape of the first 2 playoff games, and we all saw who they were geared to stop.

[spurraider21]

Harvin had 2 offensive plays that amounted to anything, relax. Both end arounds to the left. One went for about 30 yards on the 2nd play of their first drive, and another for roughly 15 yards. and yes, i will point to his 3rd down efficiency. take any of those 3rd down conversions out and they don't score on those drives

[The Gemini Method]

Ref-aided PI? C'mon that was not a questionable call--Russell didn't have a historic game but he also didn't 'just' game manage. Making critical 3rd down conversions were vital in keeping the opportunities for a Denver comeback at a minimum. The MVP was the Legion, granted, but if Wilson falters to at least take advantage of the D ballin' out this would've been a closer game. Lynch was in a Skittles coma and proved to be nullified as part of Broncos' defensive effort.