RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman

[DMC]

Genetics play a significant role in our lifespans no doubt about it, but that's not an insurmountable obstacle imho. By "taking care of ourselves" I mean living a frugal celibate lifestyle, and that's the only possible way to achieve a long healthy life (even if not an eternal one). My dad has been an avid smoker since I knew him and he picked up the bad habit of alcohol abusing a few years ago, and he probably ed random es while being married to my mom, but Rogue is a good man who'll never follow that type, I'm the exact opposite in some way. I've never smoked and will never do it, and last time I drank some alcohol was like 3 years ago, on the so-called "last dinner" among our undergraduate classmates before graduation, and I haven't put even a drip of alcoholic drink in my mouth ever since. And I've vowed to be a lifelong celibate and have never touched even a hand of 's.

Parents can be terrible role models sometimes (typical boomers, tbh), but fortunately I'm aware of it and have chosen someone else's lifestyle to follow - Zhang Sanfeng, an honorable and well-respected Taoist in ancient China who lived through 3 dynasties for a total of more than 160 years. No one even know when/where he died, or if he ever died at all... maybe he's still living a reclusive frugal life somewhere in China, tbh.

I'd expect a disciplined, self regulated celibate like you to live a long time and you probably have good genetics as well since the Chinese have evolved through mass breeding and survival of the fittest without help from outside sources.

At the same time however, there are some insurmountable genetic issues. For example, a person born without t-cells has a bleak outlook. They can live in a contained environment but they tend to not do well down the line. Same is true for other deficiencies. Sure they can be dealt with if caught early enough but like the kid with rapid aging disease that died recently, he could not have had a 100 year life span no matter how he treated his body.

So those people like Hoffman who have everything and throw it away for a rush... them. You have these little dudes trying to make it until tomorrow and then this millionaire blob offs himself like a street dweller.

[Rogue]

People born with genetic deficiency only accounts for a very small percentage of population and Hoffman doesn't seem to be one belonging in that group, fat dude just throw everything away like you said, his wealth, health etc... There are insurmountable genetic issues, no doubt, but they only afflict few people so that's rather irrelevant to what we're talking about here imho.

While gene also plays a role impacting one's lifespan, it is not the determining power, and I don't think it was the power of their superior genes that allowed the likes of Zhang Sanfeng and Laozi to live well past 100, even approaching 200. I bet no one from their families had ever lived that long, tbh, not even close.

[Proxy]

I'd expect a disciplined, self regulated celibate like you to live a long time and you probably have good genetics as well since the Chinese have evolved through mass breeding and survival of the fittest without help from outside sources.

At the same time however, there are some insurmountable genetic issues. For example, a person born without t-cells has a bleak outlook. They can live in a contained environment but they tend to not do well down the line. Same is true for other deficiencies. Sure they can be dealt with if caught early enough but like the kid with rapid aging disease that died recently, he could not have had a 100 year life span no matter how he treated his body.

So those people like Hoffman who have everything and throw it away for a rush... them. You have these little dudes trying to make it until tomorrow and then this millionaire blob offs himself like a street dweller.

figure the best way to look objectively across social classes (up or down) is to keep Maslow's Pyramid in mind. Makes more sense to me than to deal judgement to a person (forget Hoffman, people in general) I'll never understand. People should to their best to empathize imo... but I understand that you're a pessimist, and that usually plays the odds well.

[DMC]

If the media and his fans are going to parade his death around looking for sympathy, they get what they get. My take is neither pessimistic nor judgmental. It's not like I showed up at his funeral with a picket line. The problem with the empathy thing (for me) is that I cannot relate, and a person cannot have empathy if they cannot relate. I've never killed myself or thrown my life away while having basically everything I ever wanted.

I can bend the truth a bit and pretend it's a tragedy, but it's not. Just another bloated dead corpse who just happened to make some films.

[DMC]

People born with genetic deficiency only accounts for a very small percentage of population and Hoffman doesn't seem to be one belonging in that group, fat dude just throw everything away like you said, his wealth, health etc... There are insurmountable genetic issues, no doubt, but they only afflict few people so that's rather irrelevant to what we're talking about here imho.

While gene also plays a role impacting one's lifespan, it is not the determining power, and I don't think it was the power of their superior genes that allowed the likes of Zhang Sanfeng and Laozi to live well past 100, even approaching 200. I bet no one from their families had ever lived that long, tbh, not even close.

Right but you said "everyone".

[HI-FI]

incredible actor. easily one of the best of his generation, i'm trying to think of better ones right now in their 40s and drawing a blank.

too bad, i agree that druggies die everyday and none of us give them a thread, but if you're into movies or storytelling, this guy brought the goods every time.

Rest in Peace.

[Xevious]

Your local junkie friends are academy award winners?

I have no junkie friends. But just because one is given a trophy for playing make believe doesn't mean he's any less a dip than some dude shooting up on the street corner.

[Proxy]

If the media and his fans are going to parade his death around looking for sympathy, they get what they get. My take is neither pessimistic nor judgmental. It's not like I showed up at his funeral with a picket line. The problem with the empathy thing (for me) is that I cannot relate, and a person cannot have empathy if they cannot relate. I've never killed myself or thrown my life away while having basically everything I ever wanted.

I can bend the truth a bit and pretend it's a tragedy, but it's not. Just another bloated dead corpse who just happened to make some films.

Tragedy is too far. Some people will talk this up just to hear themselves speak or sound intelligent. Saying he's just another carcass... won't agree, being a fan of his work. ... probably the only reason I care enough about his passing to speak about it. I like what Hi-Fi said. Yeah, he had everything we've all ever wanted... I guess not everything he ever wanted though and blahblahblah... moving on. moving on

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Genetics play a significant role in our lifespans no doubt about it, but that's not an insurmountable obstacle imho. By "taking care of ourselves" I mean living a frugal celibate lifestyle, and that's the only possible way to achieve a long healthy life (even if not an eternal one). My dad has been an avid smoker since I knew him and he picked up the bad habit of alcohol abusing a few years ago, and he probably ed random es while being married to my mom, but Rogue is a good man who'll never follow that type, I'm the exact opposite in some way. I've never smoked and will never do it, and last time I drank some alcohol was like 3 years ago, on the so-called "last dinner" among our undergraduate classmates before graduation, and I haven't put even a drip of alcoholic drink in my mouth ever since. And I've vowed to be a lifelong celibate and have never touched even a hand of 's.

Parents can be terrible role models sometimes (typical boomers, tbh), but fortunately I'm aware of it and have chosen someone else's lifestyle to follow - Zhang Sanfeng, an honorable and well-respected Taoist in ancient China who lived through 3 dynasties for a total of more than 160 years. No one even know when/where he died, or if he ever died at all... maybe he's still living a reclusive frugal life somewhere in China, tbh.

You drink your own semen too?

[SAScrub]

Hollywood celebrates drug use, trivializes its effects, and enables each others addictions. Sadly, Philip Seymour Hoffman (and many others before him) is simply collateral damage to their self-indulgent culture.

[The Gemini Method]

His role in Capote and The Master were brilliant enough. Doubt was an interesting performance as well. Sad to see a talented but troubled actor go. I know there are some who don't have pity on an addict. That it is easy to pssssshaw the throes of addiction as a choice but sometimes it isn't even that. The rich are not inhuman nor are they exempt from the weaknesses and predilections that normal folks are. It's true that throwing away a life and riches is a shame and that the choices one makes is fuel for the no sympathy/told you so crowd but as someone who has worked with addicts and lost many a friend to addiction, it is harder than you think. That the need and cravings go beyond your average need, for say, a happy hour martini or that Newport to calm your nerves. The insatiable need is a demon to kick and to handle on your own. It seems as if he has been fighting these same demons for over a decade and that he actually attempted to get help. The stressors of being in the limelight and produce as a good-to-great thespian is immense. Overdoses in Hollywood are as common as they are in other facets of life. They just seem to get a little more airplay due to the status to some of these stars who bite the proverbial bullet. I have been blessed that I haven't had the direction to partake in addiction. I mean, I have experienced most things out there and dabbled here and there. However, the memories that hold me afloat is seeing a few of my closest friends pass away or stuck in a hole of immense size and detriment.

[Thread]

Hollywood celebrates drug use, trivializes its effects, and enables each others addictions. Sadly, Philip Seymour Hoffman (and many others before him) is simply collateral damage to their self-indulgent culture.

Scrub

Absolutely.