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    Yep. I love how both sides try the same bull arguments as if anything discussed will sway somebody's beliefs.
    Seriously, it's annoying to see nothing but the foolishness of atheists believing science is on their sides and the foolishness of creationists believing that finding (or pretending to find) one hole in evolution somehow validates their religious fantasy.

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    I am not a Biology major - I am a Biology minor. & I've taken way more than 3 Bio classes

    What exactly do you want my thoughts on?
    I have now typed this question for the fourth time.

    How did the diversity of life we see on Earth today come to be?

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    Wrong debate, tbh.

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    Seriously, it's annoying to see nothing but the foolishness of atheists believing science is on their sides and the foolishness of creationists believing that finding (or pretending to find) one hole in evolution somehow validates their religious fantasy.
    What is the right question?

    Just wondering?

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    I'm usually not into the evolution vs creationism debate but I know both sides' arguments. However, I tend to side with evolution since creationists and religion scholars also admit that Genesis is just a whole allegory to tell how the world was created. Also, because I hate Bible thumpers.

    I don't like either extreme.

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    When someone continuously equates the Big Bang with evolution, they are ignorant.



    [citation needed]



    Sure it has support. If one can say that God was always there, one can also say that the universe was always there. You are engaging in special pleading.



    There are do entation and evidence of Spider-Man existing in the The Amazing Spider-Man. Since when do stories in and of themselves equate to evidence?
    1) Evolutionists typically support the Big Bang, which is why I grouped it
    2) Do you disagree with my assessment? I'm guessing so considering you asked for a citation. I suppose that supports why you support the Big Bang.. nothing cause nothing to make nothing explode into something, etc, etc...
    3) No, there is no support. At least there are do entation of a higher power existing.
    4) There's a difference. Spiderman is science fiction, AKA, labeled not real. Nice try.. try using a better example next time.

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    ^ Pretty sure you don't have the education to be able to rationally discuss either evolution or the "Big Bang".

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    ^ Pretty sure you don't have the education to be able to rationally discuss either evolution or the "Big Bang".
    And you do? LOL, just because you have some sort of degree makes you an expert on the subject? Have you ever observed evolution in the lab or anywhere for that matter?

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    ^ Pretty sure you don't have the education to be able to rationally discuss either evolution or the "Big Bang".
    Haha... I bet I know a of a lot more than you. Try me.

    You are doing nothing but proving my point. Don't agree with an atheist = you're dumb, unqualified or uneducated

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    What is the right question?

    Just wondering?
    I guess, "Was the universe designed, or is it just accidental?" is a decent way to phrase the question. Theism vs atheism is a matter of purpose, not method; a question of why, not how. Even if that seems counter-intuitive.

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    Let's try this again: Why can one not say that the universe always existed?
    Because the cosmic microwave background and the cosmological redshift indicate a finite age tbh.

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    1) Evolutionists typically support the Big Bang, which is why I grouped it
    They also support the theory of gravity as well. Why don't you group every common belief most of them share, while you're at it?

    You were asked a question about the origin of the universe, and your response had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the question you were asked.

    2) Do you disagree with my assessment? I'm guessing so considering you asked for a citation. I suppose that supports why you support the Big Bang.. nothing cause nothing to make nothing explode into something, etc, etc...
    First you use special pleading. Then you use non-sequiturs. Now you are using strawmen. Nobody claimed that "nothing exploded into something." You are attacking a position nobody in this thread made.

    3) No, there is no support. At least there are do entation of a higher power existing.
    There's a story created by simpletons born thousands of years ago that contradicts itself constantly. Why should anybody believe what is written in the Bible when it completely contradicts what is possible?

    4) There's a difference. Spiderman is science fiction, AKA, labeled not real. Nice try.. try using a better example next time.
    Oh, I'm sorry--I didn't see the significance of Spider-Man's more fantastical elements on how believable he is.

    So, to get this straight: a guy who was bitten by a radioactive spider and then gained super powers is not possible, but a man who can walk on water, raise the dead, heal people by merely touching them, multiply food magically, and come back from being dead for three days, is perfectly believable?

    What is the difference? That one story is hundreds of years older than the other one? That billions believe one story to be actually true? What exactly makes the second person more believable than the first?

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    I guess, "Was the universe designed, or is it just accidental?" is a decent way to phrase the question. Theism vs atheism is a matter of purpose, not method; a question of why, not how. Even if that seems counter-intuitive.
    Ok.

    Thats a tough question.

    There are clearly some rules that govern the way the universe behaves that are known to us and are predictive. I really don't know if that means accidental or designed.

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    Ok.

    Thats a tough question.

    There are clearly some rules that govern the way the universe behaves that are known to us and are predictive. I really don't know if that means accidental or designed.
    Exactly. That's why the debate is stupid. It's between people who believe that a book someone wrote thousands of years ago trumps centuries of empirical investigation and people who think that finding out how something works somehow proves it wasn't made.

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    Haha... I bet I know a of a lot more than you. Try me.

    You are doing nothing but proving my point. Don't agree with an atheist = you're dumb, unqualified or uneducated
    How is it that RNA can self replicate given precursor RNA strands and that some RNA precursor sequences replicate more efficiently and become the most abundant sequences yet this does not occur with DNA?

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    ^ Pretty sure you don't have the education to be able to rationally discuss either evolution or the "Big Bang".
    he does have the education to discuss feline topics though.

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    Exactly. That's why the debate is stupid. It's between people who believe that a book someone wrote thousands of years ago trumps centuries of empirical investigation and people who think that finding out how something works somehow proves it wasn't made.
    It proves that one has no reason to come to the conclusion that said thing was made.

    A lot of strawmen in this thread.

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    Why is it the theory of evolution? If it is fact, it shouldn't be a theory.

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    Exactly. That's why the debate is stupid. It's between people who believe that a book someone wrote thousands of years ago trumps centuries of empirical investigation and people who think that finding out how something works somehow proves it wasn't made.
    I thought the debate concerned the competing ideas explaining the diversity of life on this planet.

    Specially created. Or a wonderfully rich and complex mechanism we call evolution.

    I thought it spiraled into much larger questions after the above.

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    Why is it the theory of evolution? If it is fact, it shouldn't be a theory.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html

    Point five, Jacob.

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    Why is it the theory of evolution? If it is fact, it shouldn't be a theory.
    The theory part comes in the mechanism by which evolution occurs, not if evolution did and does occur.

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    This is easily a 30+ page thread

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    It proves that one has no reason to come to the conclusion that said thing was made.

    A lot of strawmen in this thread.
    First off, it sort of does, but it doesn't make sense to try to explain it to staunch people on either side.

    Secondly, who cares? It really doesn't affect anything if you believe in god or not. It doesn't prevent intellectual pursuit.

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    First off, it sort of does, but it doesn't make sense to try to explain it to staunch people on either side.

    Secondly, who cares? It really doesn't affect anything if you believe in god or not. It doesn't prevent intellectual pursuit.
    Yeah, because every religious person believes in a vacuum, so their religious beliefs have absolutely no effect whatsoever on how they view the world, and, as a result, treat other people. Yep, they either believe or don't believe. There would be absolutely no difference in one how one behaves based on their beliefs.

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    Fossils/bones aren't evidence of human evolution. When are people going to understand this? The only way science can scientifically prove that human evolution happened from one species to another is by DNA evidence something that we all know is impossible to get.

    In other words, Evolution is not the same as Gravity..Creationism can't be scientifically proven, sure that's true..But so is human evolution.

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