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  1. 02-04-2014 #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    He's so injury prone and a s of himself even if he continues to pump his body with PEDs like he did after his season-ending injury in 2004. Do you see how much bigger he was in 2005 and now compared to the 2003 Super Bowl team? Huge difference. The PEDs have broken his body down.
    Stupid comment. Steve Smith is not and has never been injury-proned nor has he ever taken PED's. He's still better than any WR NO will ever have in their life. He didn't need a system to win the triple crown, something a NO receiver will never achieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Stupid comment. Steve Smith is not and has never been injury-proned nor has he ever taken PED's. He's still better than any WR NO will ever have in their life. He didn't need a system to win the triple crown, something a NO receiver will never achieve.
    Saints don't need an elite WR to win a Super Bowl.

    And compare how much bigger Smith was after his 2004 season ending surgery. Huge difference. Plus, alot more roid rage incidents.

    He was a skinny punt returner when he entered the league in 2001.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Smith got injured early in the first against NO.. if thats what you want to call "playing" - go for it.
    2012
    Smith: 73 catches/1174 yards/4 touchdowns
    Colston: 83 catches/ 1154 yards/10 touchdowns

    Not seeing how Smith was "boatloads" better
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeloHype
    2012
    Smith: 73 catches/1174 yards/4 touchdowns
    Colston: 83 catches/ 1154 yards/10 touchdowns

    Not seeing how Smith was "boatloads" better
    Why didn't you post the 2011 stats when Colston was supposedly in his prime

    Ask anyone on the streets who's better between Smith and Colston and let me know how many laughs you get
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    Colston's not elite, but he never roid-raging juiced his way into elite status either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    Colston's not elite, but he never roid-raging juiced his way into elite status either.
    do you think he wasn't elite before his injury? And you have no proof of him juicing other than him getting bigger... the butthurt is flowing
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    do you think he wasn't elite before his injury? And you have no proof of him juicing other than him getting bigger... the butthurt is flowing
    He wasn't considered elite in 2003. Just very good at that time. He blew up in 2005, one year after his devastating season ending injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Why didn't you post the 2011 stats when Colston was supposedly in his prime

    Ask anyone on the streets who's better between Smith and Colston and let me know how many laughs you get
    I'm not debating who was better a few years ago, I'm debating who's better right now and its clearly Colston. I only posted the 2012 stats cause smith "didnt play" the last 2 games
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    He wasn't considered elite in 2003. Just very good at that time. He blew up in 2005, one year after his devastating season ending injury.
    you do realize 03 was the year of the cardiac cats right? where people were saying moose and smith may be one of the 10 best 1-2 punch in the last 20 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    you do realize 03 was the year of the cardiac cats right? where people were saying moose and smith may be one of the 10 best 1-2 punch in the last 20 years?
    But he still wasn't considered elite at that time. And he wasn't nearly as big as he was after his devastating season ending injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeloHype
    I'm not debating who was better a few years ago, I'm debating who's better right now and its clearly Colston. I only posted the 2012 stats cause smith "didnt play" the last 2 games
    how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    But he still wasn't considered elite at that time. And he wasn't nearly as big as he was after his devastating season ending injury.
    Sorry bro... I must have been thinking he was elite from the 8 game winning drives Delhomme led that year, 7 of which were completed in TD passes to Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game
    Colston isn't the number one option like smith, yet he still gets better/same stats as Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    how is he clearly better? the saints system gets him more attempts and of course that should lead to catching... we are a running team and a well-balanced offense, not to mention smith missed an entire game that you are counting and still finished a mere 150 yards behind a player that prolly gets about 8-10 targets to him a game
    Colston has to deal with Graham and Sproles getting a ton of looks.

    Still it's not Smith's fault he has Scam as his QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Sorry bro... I must have been thinking he was elite from the 8 game winning drives Delhomme led that year, 7 of which were completed in TD passes to Smith.
    That didn't make him elite. He became elite in 2005 when he blew up in size and performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    Colston has to deal with Graham and Sproles getting a ton of looks.

    Still it's not Smith's fault he has Scam as his QB.
    Cam's potential > where Brees is now. I bet if Rex Grossman was put in the NO system he'd have many 400 yrd games too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeloHype
    Colston isn't the number one option like smith, yet he still gets better/same stats as Smith.
    Steve Smith wasn't the #1 option either, bub... it was Greg Olsen.. soo next excuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Cam's potential > where Brees is now. I bet if Rex Grossman was put in the NO system he'd have many 400 yrd games too
    Brees was an All-Pro QB before he came to New Orleans under Marty ball.

    Cam will never be as good as a passer as Brees was in 2013. Sorry, it's not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    Steve Smith wasn't the #1 option either, bub... it was Greg Olsen.. soo next excuse?
    You're the first panther fan to say Smith wasn't the first option
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    Brees was an All-Pro QB before he came to New Orleans under Marty ball.

    Cam will never be as good as a passer as Brees was in 2013. Sorry, it's not happening.

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    First three years comparison (used Brees fourth year since he didn't play but one game in his rookie year) so keep in mind this is including Brees elite year in SD:

    Touchdowns:
    64-55 advantage: Cam
    Yards: 11,229-8551 advantage: Cam
    Passing Rating: 86.40-83.06 advantage: Cam
    Completion %: 60%-61% advantage: Brees
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeloHype
    You're the first panther fan to say Smith wasn't the first option
    It's true this year... Cam said he was gonna facilitate the ball and didn't lie.. one of 2 QB's to have 4 receivers above 550 yards (other is Peyton)
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    It's true this year... Cam said he was gonna facilitate the ball and didn't lie.. one of 2 QB's to have 4 receivers above 550 yards (other is Peyton)
    Olsen: 6.9 targets per game
    Smith: 7.2 targets per game
    Williams: 2.3 targets

    Graham: 8.4 targets per game
    Colston: 7.6 targets per game
    Sproles: 6.0 targets
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeloHype
    Olsen: 6.9 targets per game
    Smith: 7.2 targets per game
    Williams: 2.3 targets

    Graham: 8.4 targets per game
    Colston: 7.6 targets per game
    Sproles: 6.0 targets
    Cam has said himself this year he looks for Olsen first, and even in past years Cam said that he looks for Olsen/Shockey because he likes throwing to the bigger player on post/slant routes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N0 LyF3 ScRuB
    First three years comparison (used Brees fourth year since he didn't play but one game in his rookie year) so keep in mind this is including Brees elite year in SD:

    Touchdowns:
    64-55 advantage: Cam
    Yards: 11,229-8551 advantage: Cam
    Passing Rating: 86.40-83.06 advantage: Cam
    Completion %: 60%-61% advantage: Brees
    And Brees also played two seasons before the massive rule changes took place before 2004 facilitating the passing game. Big difference

    Either way, Brees was still a Pro Bowl QB before coming to NOLA and Cam will never have a play-caller like Sean Payton. Cam's only upside is his size and athleticism. Not his elite passing skills. Get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornets78
    And Brees also played two seasons before the massive rule changes took place before 2004 facilitating the passing game. Big difference

    Either way, Brees was still a Pro Bowl QB before coming to NOLA and Cam will never have a play-caller like Sean Payton. Cam's only upside is his size and athleticism. Not his elite passing skills. Get a grip.
    Either way, you cannot deny that Cam is progressing and getting better each year. His only issue is throwing off his back foot occasionally. His potential is scary.. and I don't see how anyone can deny that.. especially an division rival
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