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    Davis, Dragic, and Cousins were all snubs, but the nod went to Davis because the game is in New Orleans. If the game were in Phoenix, Dragic would have got the replacement. If in Sacramento, then Cousins. It's dumb to sit here and argue about who "deserved it the most", because that is not how the decision was made.

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    I'm sure Kobe had something to do with Dwert not being picked -

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    he should be starting
    This. He's the best in the game at his position:


    1. AD
    2. LMA
    3. Love
    4. Melo
    5. Griffin

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    I'm sure Kobe had something to do with Dwert not being picked -
    He's been picked. Try again.

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    ...yet he once made it with 13/8 numbers as a center when he supposed to be the GOAT Power .

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    ...yet he once made it with 13/8 numbers as a center when he supposed to be the GOAT Power .
    Much like how Kirby only got 1* MVP when he was supposed to be one of the greatest Shooting Gays

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    He's been picked. Try again.
    the re repping the West....how much did he beg...

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    ...yet he once made it with 13/8 numbers as a center when he supposed to be the GOAT Power .
    yea, that was weird, but a lot of bigs did it with even worse stats. Chandler last year.

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    Much like how Kirby only got 1* MVP when he was supposed to be one of the greatest Shooting Gays

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    unibrow deserves it and it's a smart pick for the league because will help to ignite the audience more than any other star would since the game is played in NO.

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    unibrow deserves it and it's a smart pick for the league because will help to ignite the audience more than any other star would since the game is played in NO.
    New Orleans people never go to games much less be able to afford tickets to the game!

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    Doesn't explain why he deserves it over two other "front court" players.

    What's Davis' reasoning for starting over Dwight and Love?

    Can't be stats because Love is better and it can't be because of wins because Howard's team has more wins as well.
    Davis is everything you could want in a big man in 2014. Versatile on offense and probably a DPOY candidate. (Well he will be based on his block #s alone)

    Love ain't far behind tbh, but he needs a defensive minded center to mask his deficiencies. (Not Pekovic) I'd take Davis over him because it should be easier to put a roster around him. Dwight's just living on reputation right now compared to Davis.

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    Well if you are taking TS% it's different obviously. Typical marks of efficiency are fg% and turnovers imo

    TS% assumes that shooting 33.3% from 3 is just as efficient as shooting 50% from 2. The math makes it seem so, but we all know 33% from 3 is crap. It's a flawed stat. Oh and disregard defense which is half of the game. Oh wait ur a laker fan. Ignoring defense is your shtick
    Going by FG% to evaluate one's efficiency? What is this 1990?

    Advance metrics are better for a reason. TS% and PER are both better than determining a players efficiency. PER especially subtracts the negative accomplishments .

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    Much like how Kirby only got 1* MVP when he was supposed to be one of the greatest Shooting Gays
    Meanwhile CPFlop is still ringless and a WCF virgin and only has an all star mvp to show for 9 years in the league

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    Davis is everything you could want in a big man in 2014. Versatile on offense and probably a DPOY candidate. (Well he will be based on his block #s alone)

    Love ain't far behind tbh, but he needs a defensive minded center to mask his deficiencies. (Not Pekovic) I'd take Davis over him because it should be easier to put a roster around him. Dwight's just living on reputation right now compared to Davis.
    Davis is quite an athlete, he will be the best big man next year, without question, but it's a moot point. The starters are voted by the fans. Anyway, If you're going by value, it's hard to tell, both players are really not leading their respective teams to a playoff berth. Davis is an active defensive player but Love can give you buckets while also rebounding at a higher rate.

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    Going by FG% to evaluate one's efficiency? What is this 1990?

    Advance metrics are better for a reason. TS% and PER are both better than determining a players efficiency. PER especially subtracts the negative accomplishments .
    TS% and eFG% are incredibly flawed for the reasons I have already posted above. A player shooting 35% from 3 (a bad percentage) is deemed more efficient than a player shooting 52% from 2 (a very efficient figure).

    And at PER "taking out the negativeS. It's literally just turnovers lol

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    ^^^So the bottom-line from this , is FG%> than TS% and PER when assessing a players efficiency?


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    PER includes stats like blocks and rebounds. Dafuq does that have to do with being efficient?

    is a 3 point specialist efficient if he is shooting 35% from 3? Please answer that

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    PER includes stats like blocks and rebounds. Dafuq does that have to do with being efficient?
    So, you stick with FG% being the better evaluation of efficiency over TS% and PER?

    You can't be this stupid.

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    Meanwhile CPFlop is still ringless and a WCF virgin and only has an all star mvp to show for 9 years in the league

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    Much like how Kirby only got 1* MVP when he was supposed to be one of the greatest Shooting Gays
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    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    So, you stick with FG% being the better evaluation of efficiency over TS% and PER?

    You can't be this stupid.
    Is a 35% three point specialist efficient?

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    Is a 35% three point specialist efficient?
    Don't answer my question with another question. Tell me, is FG% a better calculator of efficiency over TS% and PER? Then Ill answer yours.

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    Don't answer my question with another question. Tell me, is FG% a better calculator of efficiency over TS% and PER? Then Ill answer yours.
    I think a number of things should be taken into consideration, but yeah fg% is my starting point, not TS%. I think there is a curve based on the position/role of the player as well

    ok now answer my questions

    1) is a 35% 3 point specialist an efficient player?
    2) is a post player who doesn't take 3's efficient if he shoots 52% from the field?
    3) which would you rather have from an efficiency standpoint?

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    I think a number of things should be taken into consideration, but yeah fg% is my starting point, not TS%

    ok now answer my questions

    1) is a 35% 3 point specialist an efficient player?
    2) is a post player who doesn't take 3's efficient if he shoots 52% from the field?
    You don't pick a stat and ask if Player A is efficient or not, that defeats the purpose of the formula. There's a reason why TS% and PER calculates all the vital statistics and puts it in APBR metrics and why it has taken over the game to analyze a player's efficiency. It is intended to more accurately calculate a player's shooting than field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and three-point field goal percentage taken individually. It rolls them up into a score for every player in the league.


    For both of your questions, if a post player can shoot 52% from the field but fails to shoot above 60% from the line, I would call him a liability. See Dwight.

    But it's reckless to believe that one part of an entire complex data is the only factor of statistical contributions. PER and TS% will give you a much better look rather than pointing a single weak like FG%.

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