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False. Lakers are playing D-leaguers who's stats look decent because of D'antoni's system, with Hill, Johnson, Meeks, Gasol, and Young playing 40+ games. Odom, And Butler were better than the trash on this roster. Kobe also missed the playoffs btw.
They've been losing ever since the return. Now, let us proceed.
False. Lakers are playing D-leaguers who's stats look decent because of D'antoni's system, with Hill, Johnson, Meeks, Gasol, and Young playing 40+ games. Odom, And Butler were better than the trash on this roster. Kobe also missed the playoffs btw.
You need to step yo game up Mike, Butler is not with the Lakers in 2005-2006.
got OP posted this the other day on the Pau to Phoenix thread:
And now he's practically sucking Pau's . Make up your mind got.Draft picks for an injured 33 year old.
04-05, when he missed the playoffsYou need to step yo game up Mike, Butler is not with the Lakers in 2005-2006.
Bynumite, with the bads. No one is trading draft picks for Pau when his contract is up at the end of the season. Now, let us proceed.
And now they won 2 in a row without Pau. What's your point, got?
lol got, your post implies that Pau in his current state isn't worth draft picks, not that Phoenix could wait and throw money at Pau during free agency.
You slipped got, your blind hate for Kobe made you contradict yourself
No one is trading picks for him when his contract is up in a few months. Now, let us proceed. MVPau.lol got, your post implies that Pau in his current state isn't worth draft picks, not that Phoenix could wait and throw money at Pau during free agency.
You slipped got, your blind hate for Kobe made you contradict yourself
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djohn the got riding MJ's 6 rings because his team hasn't won a ring in 2 decades
" In the fourth quarters of the first four games in the Finals -- 48 minutes of action -- the Lakers had 82 possessions. In those possessions, Bryant had 57 touches. And within those 57 touches, he was 7-for-26 (26.9 percent) from the floor, scoring only 28 points.
In the fourth quarter of Game 5, he was 2-for-6 (33.3 percent), scoring nine points. In the last five minutes of the game, when the Lakers were down by as many as eight points, he had zero field goals and five points from the line. Making his game total of 38 points pointless.
#MVPau
Pau Gasol: The Real Finals MVP
The most straight-forward way of looking at this debate is that the series was decided by defense and rebounding. It was a low-scoring, poorly shot affair all around, and the Lakers won the rebounding battle by a landslide in their four wins. Gasol was by far their most impressive rebounder in the series, leading everyone in both the amount he collected and his skill in doing so in the trenches, picking up the tough ones in traffic (not the long caroms that guards usually end up with). On top of that, his strong interior defense set the tone for the Lakers, who rode their defense to the championship; Bryant spent the series playing centerfield far off of Rajon Rondo, certainly not a stopper or defensive game-changer in any capacity.
Statistically, Gasol's input in his Lakers' le defense was significantly more important than that of Bryant. Obviously Kobe's 29 points per look better than Gasol's 19, but it was simply the result of shooting an insane amount of shots at a low percentage. Although the Lakers shot a pitiful 41% over their seven games with Boston, Bryant actually made things worse by shooting 40% (66-163). Not only that, but in a series full of close fourth-quarter battles, Bryant shot an abysmal 31% (11-36) in the games' final periods. Gasol connected on a team-high 48% from the field, hitting 43 of 90 attempts. His efficiency from the field was instrumental in stressing a tight Boston defense.
From a distribution/running-the-O standpoint, Gasol far trumped Kobe in the Finals. The big Spaniard lead the entire Laker squad with a phenomenal 26-13 (2.0) assist-turnover rate. He did a great job passing out of double teams, passing out of the low-post, high-post, perimeter, etc. The only player to accrue more assists on LA was the primary ball handler, Bryant, who handed out one more, 27. Unfortunately for the team, he also turned the ball over 27 times for a terrible 1.0 ratio. It could have been much worse if his teammates didn't hustle to retain possession on numerous Bryant passes that were tipped away by the Celtics into random spaces each game. Offensively, there is no question that Gasol was far more important to the overall success and effectiveness of the Lakers' attack.
Pau Gasol without Kobe
0-16
That's 4 sweeps homie
Considering the winner of all seven games was also the team that lead each contest in rebounds, this part of their games cannot be overlooked. Gasol was the top rebounder by quite a substantial margin for the series, snagging 11.6 boards per, including an incredible 5.0 offensive each night. With the rest of the Lakers shooting such a low percentage from the field, Gasol's offensive rebounds and the subsequent second-chance points alone were regularly the difference between winning and losing. He surpassed his rebound average in four of the seven games, so there were no single-game totals that pushed his average so high.
Bryant chipped in with an impressive 8.0 rebounds per, including 1.7 offensive, but it should be pointed out he met or exceeded that average only twice. A few outliers skewed his average above a true indication of what he contributed in this category. Not only that, most of Gasol's boards were grabbed in the middle of hard-fought scrums in the paint, whereas Bryant's were usually of the long-bounce-right-to-him variety.
Defensively, Gasol's man-to-man defense is alright, but his ability to energetically block and redirect shots was unparalleled, blocking 18 for the series (2.6 per) and persuading multiple potential shots to not be taken. A big man's defensive presence is always more valuable than a wing's because they have to help clean up the mess opposing guards make when they drive into the paint. That being said, Bryant's defense wasn't responsible for much in the series. He guarded Rajon Rondo, who can't shoot, by hanging out in the lane; Bryant rarely had to hustle or be responsible for containing any tough plays. Rondo still ended up averaging 14 points and 8 assists for the series. Bryant did get credit for 15 steals over the seven games, 8 of which came in two home contests when any deflections caused by his teammates' hustle were given to him if LA's stats keepers determined he gained possession in the end. NBA stats keepers, who work for individual clubs, are allowed a lot of leeway in determining who to give credit for steals, which is why it's one of the most home-oriented statistics for star players.
MVPau win shares from 2008-2011
Top 5 in Win Shares in 2009-2010 season
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
1. LeBron James-CLE .299
2. Kevin Durant-OKC .238
3. Dwyane Wade-MIA .224
4. Dwight Howard-ORL .223
5. Pau Gasol-LAL .220
6. Manu Ginobili-SAS .216
7. Tim Duncan-SAS .215
8. Chris Paul-NOH .204
9. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL .194
10. Andrew Bynum-LAL .188
11. Nene Hilario-DEN .188
12. Al Horford-ATL .183
13. Chauncey Billups-DEN.182
14. Chris Bosh-TOR .182
15. Amar'e Stoudemire-PHO .181
16. Brandon Roy-POR .180
17. Anderson Varejao-CLE.179
18. Steve Nash-PHO .178
19. Carlos Boozer-UTA .178
20. Deron Williams-UTA .177
ALSO
Top 2 Win Shares in 2010-2011 season
Win Shares
1. LeBron James-MIA 15.6
2. Pau Gasol-LAL 14.7
3. Dwight Howard-ORL 14.4
4. Chris Paul-NOH 13.9
5. Derrick Rose-CHI 13.1
6. Dwyane Wade-MIA 12.8
7. Kevin Durant-OKC 12.0
8. Paul Pierce-BOS 11.6
9. Kevin Love-MIN 11.4
10. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 11.1
11. LaMarcus Aldridge-POR 11.1
12. Zach Randolph-MEM 10.5
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 10.3
14. Chris Bosh-MIA 10.3
15. Lamar Odom-LAL 10.1
16. Al Horford-ATL 10.1
17. Ray Allen-BOS 10.0
18. Luol Deng-CHI 9.9
19. Manu Ginobili-SAS 9.9
20. Blake Griffin-LAC 9.8
ALSO
Top 5 in Win Shares in 2008-2009 Season/Playoffs
Win Shares
1. LeBron James-CLE 20.3
2. Chris Paul-NOH 18.3
3. Dwyane Wade-MIA 14.7
4. Pau Gasol-LAL 13.9
5. Dwight Howard-ORL 13.8
6. Brandon Roy-POR 13.5
7. Kobe Bryant-LAL 12.7
8. Ray Allen-BOS 11.1
9. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 10.9
10. Yao Ming-HOU 10.6
11. Paul Pierce-BOS 10.3
12. Chauncey Billups-TOT 10.1
13. Tim Duncan-SAS 10.1
14. Rajon Rondo-BOS 9.9
15. Mo Williams-CLE 9.8
16. Chris Bosh-TOR 9.7
17. Gerald Wallace-CHA 9.5
18. Rashard Lewis-ORL 9.5
19. LaMarcus Aldridge-POR 9.5
20. Nene Hilario-DEN 9.3
Win Shares Per 48 minute Comparison
2008
Kobe: .208
Pau(as a Laker): .239
2009
Kobe: .206
Pau: .223
2010
Kobe: .160
Pau: .220
2011
Kobe: .178
Pau: .232
Pau Gasol without Kobe
0-16
That's 4 sweeps homie
Player Efficiency Rating (Top 20):
8. Pau Gasol-LAL 22.9
13. Kobe Bryant-LAL 21.9Offensive Win Shares (Top 20):
15. Pau Gasol-LAL 6.8
Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!
Defensive Win Shares (Top 20):
15. Pau Gasol-LAL 4.2
18. Kobe Bryant-LAL 4.0
WinShares (Top 20):
7. Pau Gasol-LAL 11.0
Kobe: NOT ON THE LIST!!
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Boiled down:::
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 4
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