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^^those are team accomplishments..
I don't see why one would even consider Lebron the greatest when he cannot make a strong enough case against Bird or Magic (not taking pf-C into discussion). He will likely retire in the same bracket as the aforementioned players unless he does something amazing such as a 4-peat or several repeats.
^^those are team accomplishments..
Unless you started watching the NBA in 2003, this is quite possibly the worst thread of all time. Props son.
The best thing about any if this is watching the got tosb Wade breaking down in front of our eyes. Awesome to watch imo
The arguments that Dad Killer fans present are so flawed, tbh..
- I don't think Lebron has went up against great compe ion in the East, but have you guys actually seem the teams Dad Killer went up against in his era?..teams with Reggie Miller as the #1 option and John Starks as the #2 guy..it would have been embarrassing for Dad Killer to lose any of those series' with his stacked supporting cast, tbh..
- Three hasn't been a top 20 player since 2011, tbh..his metrics during the past 2 playoff runs, particularly last year, were just awful and not even close to prime Three..the only players that have won les with as much or less than Lebron are 2003 Duncan and 1994 Olajuwon, tbh..
- I find it puzzling that Lebron is hated by many for trivial reasons, yet these same people admire a man that played a part in the murder of his own father
HH, bringing goods as usual
the revisionist history about MJ really gets old. People want to say "ZOMG he played against Payton and Kemp! Lebron never played against a duo near as good as them!" when he beat a trio of stars in Durant (megastar), Westbrook, and Harden. Payton was great, but was he really much if any better than Westbrook? And Kemp SURE isn't as good as Durant.
They say "oh Harden choked" or "oh Parker choked" or "oh Ginobili choked" when Malone choked for 2 straight finals series. Or people saying he was giftwrapped championships because he didn't have to face teams at full strength, when MJ won his 1st finals with Magic not healthy and Worthy being hurt.
Or the "weak compe ion" excuses when MJ had to face such incredibly difficult teams, such as the Cavaliers being led by the monstrous Mark Price, the Hornets with megastar Glen Rice, the unstoppable Washington duo of C-Webb and Juwan Howard, Steve Smith and Lattener garnering 70-win ecstasy down in ATL, and the Nets punking s dirty with Keith Van Horn and Sam Cassell.
he's trolling Harlem and Lebron fans imo.Unless you started watching the NBA in 2003, this is quite possibly the worst thread of all time. Props son.
LeBron had a bad series, no doubt.... but Jordan got his pushed in in the first round several times and got repeatedly owned by the Bird Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons until Stern changed the rules to make it easier on himin 2011 finals Wade showed up big time, Lebron didn't and no amount of "
One ECF game in particular against the Pistons, Craig Hodges scored more than MJ (who only took 8 shots), and Jordan claimed after the game that he was "just trying to be a decoy".... could you imagine how bad LeBron would be roasted by Media if that were him instead?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html
Oh trust me Jordan fans are just as crazy as Lebron or Kobe fans are.LeBron had a bad series, no doubt.... but Jordan got his pushed in in the first round several times and got repeatedly owned by the Bird Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons until Stern changed the rules to make it easier on him
One ECF game in particular against the Pistons, Craig Hodges scored more than MJ (who only took 8 shots), and Jordan claimed after the game that he was "just trying to be a decoy".... could you imagine how bad LeBron would be roasted by Media if that were him instead?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905310DET.html
MJ had some bad big games too.
And did not play elite defense 24/7 either ...Lebron coasts on defense at times but not as much as Kobe or MJ.
Another fact: Jordan was 11-17 against Bird in the regular season and 0-6 against Bird in the playoffs.... could you imagine the reaction if LeBron was consistently owned by Durant like that?
Jordan Jockers' revisionist history and double standards get old.... MJ was a great player, but you don't need to rewrite history to back that up, and he did have his share of failures and chokejobs just like any other great player....
In that case - he trolled me too.
Sorry, Juan, but LeGOAT is making the league bend over and bite their bottom lipIn that case - he trolled me too.
No, he's not. If MJ played today and was pampered the way LeBas is, he'd average 50/7/7. I'm not even remotely bull ting son. He once averaged 37 ppg in the rough and tumble '80s. 50 wouldn't be a stretch with the no hand check rules and touch fouls that LeBas benefits from.Sorry, Juan, but LeGOAT is making the league bend over and bite their bottom lip
No, he's not. If MJ played today and was pampered the way LeBas is, he'd average 50/7/7. I'm not even remotely bull ting son. He once averaged 37 ppg in the rough and tumble '80s. 50 wouldn't be a stretch with the no hand check rules and touch fouls that LeBas benefits from.
"rough and tumble '80s"
You got 148 dropped on you in a finals game in the "rough and tumble '80s." (Period)
NiceNo, he's not. If MJ played today and was pampered the way LeBas is, he'd average 50/7/7. I'm not even remotely bull ting son. He once averaged 37 ppg in the rough and tumble '80s. 50 wouldn't be a stretch with the no hand check rules and touch fouls that LeBas benefits from.
During Jordan's career, Stern...
- Made the flagrant foul rules tougher and added the "five-point" rule to neuter the Jordan Rules
- Banned handchecking just as MJ was coming back from his gambling suspension
- Shortened the three-point line to inflate Jordan's 3-point percentage
- Rigged Game 6 in 1998 (bull shot clock violation on Eisley, no-call on Harper's obvious shot clock violation, not calling Jordan for his pushoff) so the Bulls wouldn't have to play Game 7 without Pippen
- Gave foodstamp after foodstamp to MJ - he was routinely among the top 3-5 in FTA as a shooting guard alongside bigs like Malone and Barkley... as Magic said, "can't stand too close to Jordan, that's a foul!"
Again, Jordan is the GOAT (for now), but let's not revise history.... he got plenty of love from the league
Another fact: Jordan was 11-17 against Bird in the regular season and 0-6 against Bird in the playoffs.... could you imagine the reaction if LeBron was consistently owned by Durant like that?
plus imagine MJ with Lebron's arsenal of PEDsNo, he's not. If MJ played today and was pampered the way LeBas is, he'd average 50/7/7. I'm not even remotely bull ting son. He once averaged 37 ppg in the rough and tumble '80s. 50 wouldn't be a stretch with the no hand check rules and touch fouls that LeBas benefits from.
Luis?Nice
During Jordan's career, Stern...
- Made the flagrant foul rules tougher and added the "five-point" rule to neuter the Jordan Rules
- Banned handchecking just as MJ was coming back from his gambling suspension
- Shortened the three-point line to inflate Jordan's 3-point percentage
- Rigged Game 6 in 1998 (bull shot clock violation on Eisley, no-call on Harper's obvious shot clock violation, not calling Jordan for his pushoff) so the Bulls wouldn't have to play Game 7 without Pippen
- Gave foodstamp after foodstamp to MJ - he was routinely among the top 3-5 in FTA as a shooting guard alongside bigs like Malone and Barkley... as Magic said, "can't stand too close to Jordan, that's a foul!"
Again, Jordan is the GOAT (for now), but let's not revise history.... he got plenty of love from the league
Damn good
plus imagine MJ with Lebron's arsenal of PEDs
is right! BAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!
Plenty had to be juicing back then. You were coming of the heels of the steroid era in the NFL and you were entering the steroid era of the MLB. Not to mention I'm not even sure if they really tested back then.plus imagine MJ with Lebron's arsenal of PEDs
This was the first guy (Don Maclean) that got caught on steroids in 2000. The white guy.
Whose farmer, er uh, troll is this? '80s was a golden era. Showtime vs. whoever (mostly Boston) saved the NBA. Sp*rs wouldn't even have an NBA franchise if not for the Lakers kicking ass in the '80s. Show some respect son.
"rough and tumble '80s"
You got 148 dropped on you in a finals game in the "rough and tumble '80s." (Period)
NotLuis?
Damn good
Not if you lead your team to these wins. You try to point to Lebron leading his team to a repeat even though he almost cost his team a le with his forgotten game 6 shot. Jordan ended his Bulls career with a game winner. Magic won his first with the team's franchise player out in his rookie year. They maybe team accomplishments but you qualify a players contribution to the number.
Let's face it, Lebron isn't winning in a stacked league. He beat 2011-2012 Durant, not 2014 Durant. He (barely) beat 2013 Duncan, not 2003 Duncan. He barely beat the Pacers, a team you like bashing.
I know you're "trolling", but take Lebron's genitals out of your mouth while you do it so you can breath.
No, he's not. If MJ played today and was pampered the way LeBas is, he'd average 50/7/7. I'm not even remotely bull ting son. He once averaged 37 ppg in the rough and tumble '80s. 50 wouldn't be a stretch with the no hand check rules and touch fouls that LeBas benefits from.
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- Um, Dad Killer played in the most watered down era in NBA history
- How can a player almost cost a team the le when he leads them in every statistical category and is literally the only facilitator on the floor? Not to mention shutting down the best perimeter player on the opposing team in that series
God, these blind ring counters that use cliches and antiquated arguments..
- Lebron LEADING his team to a 4-peat, which is implied since he is in his prime and the best player in the league, would make the argument. If he had a horrible playoff, according to you and your opinion on Wade, it'd be an anomaly.-
- Um, Dad Killer played in the most watered down era in NBA history
- How can a player almost cost a team the le when he leads them in every statistical category and is literally the only facilitator on the floor? Not to mention shutting down the best perimeter player on the opposing team in that series
God, these blind ring counters that use cliches and antiquated arguments..
- "Dad Killer's" compe ion isn't watered down as today's league where an aging Tim Duncan can still dominate his position, Pacers without a legit (according to you) superstar can give the "GOAT" so much trouble and OKC (a chronically flawed team at the time) makes it to the finals.
Rings are team achievements which are par ioned into contributions of each individual. Now if you're done swallowing Lebron's load and ignoring how poor today's league is, maybe you can go protest the Seahawk's doping.
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