Green>Belli

[G-Dawgg]

He actually shot an above-average percentage from two last season for a wing. He can't dribble, but he can score in more ways than people realize.

Also, last year was Green's one great season. He is definitely not the same player this season...

[Raven]

Beli's contribution last night was great. We were missing our top scorer, so every point was a premium. You also can't peg the +/- entirely on him when you're rolling Ayres out there with him (a malady that happens often enough still).

We're not going to play Belli or Green 40 mins a game, so anything they can contribute when they're on the floor works.

ayers was +2 and actually the only one relatively close were joseph with -3 and brown with -2. I understand that right now belinelli's offense is needed here and there, to keep minutes as low as possible on manu, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a cancer for both the D and the young players confidence.

[Chinook]

Also last year was his one great season. He is definitely not the same player this season...

Wait, I thought the year before was his one great season. That's what the haters said last year.

Green's better this season, but he and the team are still trying to find a rhythm. But even an out-of-sync and poor-shooting Green is better than Beli. This year has demonstrated that.

[ElNono]

ayers was +2 and actually the only one relatively close were joseph with -3 and brown with -2. I understand that right now belinelli's offense is needed here and there, to keep minutes as low as possible on manu, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a cancer for both the D and the young players confidence.

I'm just not sure how he can undermine the young players confidence since he's not even tasked with creating. He's basically asked to run backdoor cuts and spot up 3 point shooting. Now if you're talking about D, sure, he's not a great defender, but that's why his role is to play against the other team's bench and unlike Manu, he's not asked to close out games.

[Chinook]

Beli's contribution last night was great. We were missing our top scorer, so every point was a premium. You also can't peg the +/- entirely on him when you're rolling Ayres out there with him (a malady that happens often enough still).

We're not going to play Belli or Green 40 mins a game, so anything they can contribute when they're on the floor works.

Green better be playing near that when the games matter. Leonard too (especially). Danny scoring 10ppg is much better than Beli scoring 15.

That said, I root for every player on the team to play as well as possible. If Pop goes to Marco over Green, I want him to be so awesome that people give me crap for doubting him.

[Raven]

I'm just not sure how he can undermine the young players confidence since he's not even tasked with creating. He's basically asked to run backdoor cuts and spot up 3 point shooting. Now if you're talking about D, sure, he's not a great defender, but that's why his role is to play against the other team's bench and unlike Manu, he's not asked to close out games.

he does that on defence by running around with no purpose either after being screened or just by reading the situation wrong, confusing the other players. Players like green and cojo feel good about taking their shots only when they do their job on D first. Now you can say that's their own mental weakness, but it's the way it is.

[Mel_13]

he does that on defence by running around with no purpose either after being screened or just by reading the situation wrong, confusing the other players. Players like green and cojo feel good about taking their shots only when they do their job on D first. Now you can say that's their own mental weakness, but it's the way it is.

That is some truly hilarious psychobabble right there, folks.

[ElNono]

he does that on defence by running around with no purpose either after being screened or just by reading the situation wrong, confusing the other players. Players like green and cojo feel good about taking their shots only when they do their job on D first. Now you can say that's their own mental weakness, but it's the way it is.

I get that you don't like Beli... maybe it's just a schtick you want to pan out or something... but posts like this don't really build your case...

[cd021]

Green is way too one dimensional. He can't even dribble the damn ball without almost turning it over..... All he does is shoot the 3 ball and defend and when his 3 ball is not falling he is almost useless on offense. Belinelli has many more skills than Green. I'd trust Bellineli in a 4qtr game 7 finals situation much more than I would trust Danny Green to be in the game. It's my opinion.

You mentioned 2 dimensions and its not like Green is soley a catch and shoot player. He can dribble the ball up in transition and hit a pull up 3. He did it last night. I can remember 5 or 6 times this season where he has caught the ball inside the arc, put the ball on the floor and hit a 3 in the corner. If Beli can't be hidden, how can you trust him on defense?

[hater]

People that actually watch the games have noticed the Ferrari looking like a Fiat without his bro out there... as pointed out in this thread by many other posters... this shouldn't be a big deal or news at this point.

I've always been a big Beli fan. I love he's on our team, and now that his bro is out there helping him reach his full potential, it only spell good news for the Spurs.

Wrong.

People that actually watch the games will see ALL the Spurs struggled in the past few games starting at the point when Kawhi went down. It was mostly due because of Kawhi and Splitter went down and responsibilities were redesigned. Manu's absence was just an afterthought IMO. I have been saying Ferrari saved Manu's career for months, it's very convenient you are singing the exact opposite tune all of a sudden.

the facts are that after costing his team the championship, the argentine needed a miracle to justify his life. The Ferrari Bellinelli provided just that.

[hater]

You replied a post mentioning the offense. On that aspect Beli is much, much better. Not even close, IMO. Passing, finishing, you name it, Beli does it much better.

Danny is the much superior defender though.

agree with you here

1-trick-pony cannot even dribble a basketball in an empty gym. He's a black hole on offense, its horrifying. He's not just bad on offense, he's one of the worst wing players in the league on offense. The absence of Manu gives Green some life, since we do need a defensive specialist and he is fine at that job. But if Manu somehow gets healthy(doubtful) and gets going, Green will see himself on the bench more often than not.

[Raven]

I get that you don't like Beli... maybe it's just a schtick you want to pan out or something... but posts like this don't really build your case...

maybe i phrased it in a weird way, but i truly believe it. Now i may be wrong about him being a bad offensive fit for green and cojo (and kawhi), but what i'm not wrong for sure is his cancerous effect on team D. His offensive production is not closely good enough to offset his bad D imho.

[ElNono]

People that actually watch the games will see ALL the Spurs struggled in the past few games starting at the point when Kawhi went down. It was mostly due because of Kawhi and Splitter went down and responsibilities were redesigned. Manu's absence was just an afterthought IMO.

This is too easy. Neither Tiago nor Kawhi were playing last night... But you did feel like Beli played good enough to bump this thread... just as Manu made his comeback! imagine that!

I have been saying Ferrari saved Manu's career for months, it's very convenient you are singing the exact opposite tune all of a sudden.

Now over a month ago is "all of a sudden"

but hey, thanks for bumping this thread, it actually grows the legend of Nonostradamus

[hater]

This is too easy. Neither Tiago nor Kawhi were playing last night... But you did feel like Beli played good enough to bump this thread... just as Manu made his comeback! imagine that!

All the Spurs played well last night, especially Belli and Green. Manu had very little effect on the game, his play was satisfactory too, but minimal.

Now over a month ago is "all of a sudden"

but hey, thanks for bumping this thread, it actually grows the legend of Nonostradamus

Since I been saying it since November, yes. All of a sudden.

Not sure what you predicted, but congrats if that's the case

[ElNono]

All the Spurs played well last night, especially Belli and Green. Manu had very little effect on the game, his play was satisfactory too, but minimal.

Well, as I predicted, he helped Beli reach his full potential, which the Spurs have been missing from Marco since his bro went down. That kind of impact is actually huge and can be the difference between losing to the likes of Detroit vs beating top teams like the Clippers.

Since I been saying it since November, yes. All of a sudden.

Maybe in Quechua it means something different, but there's nothing sudden about something said over a month ago. Apparently you simply missed the 2 or 3 posts where I posited my now demonstrably correct opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

I actually forgot about this thread until you bumped it... I wouldn't have recalled how spot on I was until I saw my earlier post again...

[hater]

Well, as I predicted, he helped Beli reach his full potential, which the Spurs have been missing from Marco since his bro went down. That kind of impact is actually huge and can be the difference between losing to the likes of Detroit vs beating top teams like the Clippers.

illogical

Belli's career needed no saving. He did not cost his team the championship last playoffs. On the contrary, Belli was being coveted by most teams in the league. Including the very own Kevin Durant, who was clamoring to get THAT DUDE. Can you imagine if OKC would have aquired The Ferrari? it would have been lights out for the rest of the league.

Again, your reasoning is illogical. Belli did not cost his team the championship, his career was not on the ropes like Manu's.

Maybe in Quechua it means something different, but there's nothing sudden about something said over a month ago. Apparently you simply missed the 2 or 3 posts where I posited my now demonstrably correct opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

I actually forgot about this thread until you bumped it... I wouldn't have recalled how spot on I was until I saw my earlier post again...

Maybe you went to school in Argentina? understandable then

"all of a sudden" does not have an expiration date. try to keep up

[ElNono]

illogical

Belli's career needed no saving.

Well, unlike Manu, who received a juicy and well deserved extension from his team, Marco was on the street after the Bulls deemed he was not worth the money... These are just facts, nothing to argue or debate.

Manu has made a career of making players around him better, that's why I loved the signing. I knew Marco was going to be great with Gino around. It turned out to be a very logical and sound prediction.

Maybe you went to school in Argentina? understandable then

"all of a sudden" does not have an expiration date. try to keep up

Now you're arguing just to argue. I didn't say anything about an expiration date, tbh...

I simply said it might look sudden to you if you missed my 2-3 posts over the last month or so... which you apparently did. Nothing wrong with that, tbh...

[hater]

Well, unlike Manu, who received a juicy and well deserved extension from his team, Marco was on the street after the Bulls deemed he was not worth the money... These are just facts, nothing to argue or debate.

LOL "on the streets" He was being courted by Durant/OKC, the Heat and a number of other teams including the Spurs. LOL "on the streets"

Manu has made a career of making players around him better, that's why I loved the signing.

sure he has, and he demolished all that by costing his team the 2013 NBA Championship. His career was on the rocks, he considered retirement, most Spursfans wanted him gone. Only Manu s would disagree.

I knew Marco was going to be great with Gino around. It turned out to be a very logical and sound prediction.

that was your prediction? Belli is a Ferrari on his own, he won the NBA 3pt Championship on his own and won Pop's favor (and minutes) on his own. If that was your prediction it was a terrible prediction tbh

[ElNono]

LOL "on the streets" He was being courted by Durant/OKC, the Heat and a number of other teams including the Spurs. LOL "on the streets"

He might've been courted by Queen Elizabeth too, but the reason he was available at all is because Chicago let him walk. Again, just facts.

Great, talented players are offered extensions. That means their teams want to keep em because they're valuable. Just like the Spurs did with Manu, Tony, Tim, etc.

It's unfortunate Marco's game didn't warrant an extension offer by the Bulls, but I knew Manu would be able to get the best out of Marco. In hindsight, and looking at the disaster that's been Ayres, I'm glad to be spot on.

sure he has, and he demolished all that by costing his team the 2013 NBA Championship. His career was on the rocks. Only Manu s would disagree.

Manu didn't have a good playoffs per his extremely elevated standards, and it's clear he needed much more help than the Gary Neals of the league. At his age it's difficult to take D-League talent and turn them into NBA players, tbh.

The Marco signing addressed that. Take a good player on the downturn of his career and let Manu bring back the best of him. I'm glad it worked out just like that.

that was your prediction? Belli is a Ferrari on his own, he won the NBA 3pt Championship on his own and won Pop's favor (and minutes) on his own. If that was your prediction is was a terrible prediction tbh

We all have differing opinions, and I've certainly been wrong before, but ultimately opinions don't really matter when the predictions turn out to be right, as in this case.

[hater]

Bellineli 3 at the top of the key with seconds left.... in. Manu on the bench

Bellinelli with the best assist of the night to Splitter for the and 1 and 50 seconds left. Manu on the bench


Another major failure by ElNono..... No one is surprised

[ElNono]

Beli scores 20 back to back since Gino came back... Manu leads team again with +20...

Meanwhile, Kawhi still out...

This thread can't stop making me look good. of a bump

[TJastal]

I'm just not sure how he can undermine the young players confidence since he's not even tasked with creating. He's basically asked to run backdoor cuts and spot up 3 point shooting. Now if you're talking about D, sure, he's not a great defender, but that's why his role is to play against the other team's bench and unlike Manu, he's not asked to close out games.

@ undermining the young players. Seems the more Bellinelli accomplishes (winning 3pt contest, 20+ point games, top nba 3pt shooter) the more this criticizes.

[ElNono]

@ undermining the young players. Seems the more Bellinelli accomplishes (winning 3pt contest, 20+ point games, top nba 3pt shooter) the more this criticizes.

yeah, I didn't get that at all. It's not like Beli is trying to get the ball away from them.

[gilmor]

Manu prob will retire in 2 years time also.. where will you be then?

[ElNono]

Manu prob will retire in 2 years time also.. where will you be then?

probably watching the draft lottery or watching Kawhi take this team to the playoffs... hard to tell right now, tbh...