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    Eh, I bet no one here has actually seen him play more than a minute or two.

    I'm not going to pimp him, but I'm not going to pretend I have extensively scouted him either.
    I stated plainly that I didn't watch him.

    And yeah, I doubt you did.
    Well again, that doesn't make any sense then. Did anything I posted about Daye's ability or his numbers give you reason to doubt I watched him more than you? If so, please state your case or at least argue the points I have made with regards to Daye's numbers as a SF vs Nando's. Your definition of not watching him was saying people likely only watched him a few seconds.

    I told you I watched him a decent amount (more than a few seconds)

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    Speaking for myself, I've been saying Daye sucks in every thread, because he does, but I don't have a problem with the actual trade, it doesn't affect the Spurs on either side, tbh..

    It's still disappointing that they didn't make a move at the deadline, though, especially after the Ayres debacle..
    Have you watched Daye more than a few seconds?

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    At least this will shut up people who weren't satisfied with trades done in the summer.

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    Then you don't understand SpursTalk.

    Barring a buyout acquisition, Green and Diaw are Leonard's backups. I guess people can present their alternative timeline championship trades now.

    Haven't seen one yet.
    Since that's the case, I wonder if Daye's buyout papers have hit RC's desk yet?

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    Well again, that doesn't make any sense then. Did anything I posted about Daye's ability or his numbers give you reason to doubt I watched him more than you? If so, please state your case or at least argue the points I have made with regards to Daye's numbers as a SF vs Nando's.
    The fact you went straight to the numbers told me pretty much what I needed to know.

    There is no need to argue any numbers. If the Spurs were to rely on either of these players in this season's playoffs, they would simply lose the first series that happened. That's the only comparison that matters. In that respect, they suck equally so I don't understand the gnashing of teeth except for the fact that posters seem to like it a lot.

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    In a vacuum, the trade is fine. It's not about that though. It's about the front office once again not doing their job.

    If Leonard get's in foul trouble against the Thunder/Heat, they'd be in serious trouble. If he get's injured against either, they're done. Even if he stays healthy, they're not equipped to play a small ball series.

    And before the apologists come out of the wood work with the predictable, if any key player on any contender is injured, they're done, response, that's besides the point. You still have to have a backup plan. They have it with the big three (Splitter, Mills and Belinelli). Obviously they couldn't win the championship without any, but it's conceivable they could win a round or at least have a puncher's chance. If Leonard goes down and it's the wrong match-up, they don't even have that. They'd be flat out done on the spot.

    Another basement genius that doesn't provide a name. amusing at this point.

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    Have you watched Daye more than a few seconds?
    I looked into his Synergy footage and metrics when the Raptors acquired him, tbh..

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    Since that's the case, I wonder if Daye's buyout papers have hit RC's desk yet?
    Not sure since he has some money coming next season. Who knows if they think he's salvageable as an NBA player?

    Plenty of time available in Austin before buyout deadlines; though things could be accelerated if some foreign team is interested in him.

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    but that has structured itself to run with the big three in such a way that they have a chance to win and then have generous cap space in two seasons.
    They could have done all this WITHOUT signing a worthless pos like Ayres. Someone with Jeff's low talent level, injury history(torn ACL), and inexperience(only played 86 games in 3 years) didn't deserve MLE money

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    Not the point - Daye just sucks and no reason to trade a better player for a sucky player no matter what IMO. It's very unlikely it matters at the end of the day, but the point remains.

    To your other point, plenty of guys were had very cheaply that were much more talented and obtainable, even if they weren't a great fit. Guys like Turner and Hawes were easily attainable and would have been talent upgrades over the guys they were traded for too.

    Link to where the Spurs didn't attempt to get said players?

    Ill wait.

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    T-Park, how devastated would you have been if the Spurs had traded Ayres, tbh?..

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    Well, you don't seem to understand a lot of things tbh..You don't seem to understand that a trade happened and regardless of the impact (which you don't seem to read either because I already prefaced everything by saying the impact was negligible) we on ST are very likely going to analyze it.

    You may not like it, but if you don't watch a player (as you admitted) you probably shouldn't intervene in arguments about that player. The fact I went straight to numbers ? I had plenty of post about Daye/Nando before the numbers were even brought up so I don't know what you are talking about.

    It's not so much a gnashing of teeth as it is discussing whether or not (no matter the impact) I personally like a trade. In this case, while I agree the both suck, I don't agree they suck equally and therefore don't like the trade (even though I understand the deal). It's also a lead into the bigger picture as to whether or not we was fans think the Spurs bolstered their chances, did enough to help themselves win or made mistakes.

    Not that we matter, but that's what happens here. People like to discuss the game because they actually watch a lot of basketball. You personally do not appear to like that, but you can get out of ST whatever you want to get out of it.

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    Tbh, what do you think the chances are the Spurs just sign Bertans when he finishes his rehab in a few weeks? No idea what his buyout is but he's been rehabbing here in SA iirc.

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    Sorry, Green defended James in the finals.

    But we're talking about Lebron James here. Who they was available that can effectively guard him or anyone you listed?

    And if anyone posts the name Singleton I will die laughing.
    MUST DO IT!

    SINGLETON!

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    Not the point - Daye just sucks and no reason to trade a better player for a sucky player no matter what IMO. It's very unlikely it matters at the end of the day, but the point remains.

    To your other point, plenty of guys were had very cheaply that were much more talented and obtainable, even if they weren't a great fit. Guys like Turner and Hawes were easily attainable and would have been talent upgrades over the guys they were traded for too.
    I don't care if Daye sucks or not. Getting rid of DeColo defines the guard heirarchy and the rotation in general. Every minute NDC played for the Spurs would've have been better served given to Mills or Joseph.

    I'm not sure what we could've offered the 76ers for Turner and/or Hawes that was better than what they got tbh.

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    Link to where the Spurs didn't attempt to get said players?

    Ill wait.
    Where did I say they didn't attempt to get those players? I said those guys (with the benefit of hindsight) went pretty cheaply and the Spurs appeared to have comparable assets.

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    Sorry, Green defended James in the finals.

    But we're talking about Lebron James here. Who they was available that can effectively guard him or anyone you listed?

    And if anyone posts the name Singleton I will die laughing.
    For about 5 seconds, until James put his ass under the basket, Pop realized he couldn't guard him and went to Diaw as the secondary defender.

    There's numerous players they could have gotten as insurance and if they really wanted them, they had the assets to make it happen. If they wanted to go big, there was Young, Green and Chandler. If they wanted to go medium, there was Williams and Clark. If they wanted to small, there was Johnson (before the Grizzlies signed him) and yes, Singleton. No one is suggesting he's any good, but physically, he can guard big, athletic three's.


    Why do folks always insist Green can't guard SFs? He's done fine on Durant and George, and he was great on James. The problem is that he wears down giving up so much weight that he can't do it enough. He's a great second defender for them, but he'd need a good backup to do it on his own.

    Agree they need a competent SF behind Leonard if only for the regular season. But I feel better about Cory against guards than I did a month ago.
    In short stretches, maybe. We're talking roughly 40 mpg over a series. He can't do it. And he was awful on James. Not through any fault of his own of course, he's just flat out not strong enough.

    No player as limited and timid as Joseph has any business in a playoff rotation.

    The point remains: If Leonard goes down, there's very few teams they could get by against, none of which are the legit contenders. Who tries to win a championship with one player ideally suited for defending the two best players in the world?

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    It's not so much a gnashing of teeth as it is discussing whether or not (no matter the impact) I personally like a trade.
    Well no .

    And we all knew you wouldn't like it no matter what.

    It's as predictable as it is hilarious.

    I knew you would gnash your teeth and play the alternative timeline game. It's just what you do.

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    For about 5 seconds
    lol

    Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.

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    Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.

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    I don't care if Daye sucks or not. Getting rid of DeColo defines the guard heirarchy and the rotation in general. Every minute NDC played for the Spurs would've have been better served given to Mills or Joseph.

    I'm not sure what we could've offered the 76ers for Turner and/or Hawes that was better than what they got tbh.
    They didn't get anything but expiring contracts and 2nd round picks and/or buyout candidates. Take guard out of the equation. Nando has been a more effective SF than Daye was well. That comes from not only watching Nando on the Spurs when he's played, but watching Daye then also looking at the numbers to verify what we've seen.

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    What are the chances we try to get Josh Howard now?

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    Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.
    Good post, tbh..

    While I'm disappointed and was hoping the Spurs could acquire another defender to match up with OKC and Houston on the perimeter, ultimately, the Spurs chances will depend on their top 8, particularly Parker's recovery and Leonard's role, tbh..

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    Where did I say they didn't attempt to get those players? I said those guys (with the benefit of hindsight) went pretty cheaply and the Spurs appeared to have comparable assets.
    Who was the Spurs Danny Granger?

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    lol

    Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.
    lol

    Why do the apologists feel the need to be apologists? They were negligent and you know it.

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