Woj: Spurs have traded De Colo for Austin Daye

[ace3g]

Elliott on the trade

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...d-patty-mills/

[ChumpDumper]

lol

Why do the apologists feel the need to be apologists? They were negligent and you know it.

lol negligent

They're doing fine, all injuries considered. I'm sure these last couple of victories have you upset, so I'll let it slide.

[chazley]

To be a rotational NBA player, you have to have an elite skill. The problem with Nando De Colo is he didn't have an elite skill. At least with Daye, he may be a scrub, but you can say his elite skill is 'size', and he has the potential to shoot 40% from 3.

[ohmwrecker]

They didn't get anything but expiring contracts and 2nd round picks and/or buyout candidates. Take guard out of the equation. Nando has been a more effective SF than Daye was well. That comes from not only watching Nando on the Spurs when he's played, but watching Daye then also looking at the numbers to verify what we've seen.

I think I would rather have Granger's exp than Bonner's . . . I mean, forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's more money off the books, right?

I'll reserve judgement on who is the better SF when I see Daye in a Spurs uniform. The main problem with that statement is that the Spurs had a ing PG playing SF . . . Let's just have a looksee at the dude who is 6'9" and actually plays the position before we say NDC is a better SF . . . What say?

[DPG21920]

Well no .

And we all knew you wouldn't like it no matter what.

It's as predictable as it is hilarious.

I knew you would gnash your teeth and play the alternative timeline game. It's just what you do.

That literally makes no sense. It's easy to prove. If you know I am negative about all trades, simply pull up the last trade the Spurs did and see my posts/reactions. Heck, even easier, go into the trade thread for this year and see how many trades I shot down because I wanted to "gnash" my teeth.

Unless you are randomly lying for some reason and just making stuff up, it should be quite easy to prove I would obviously hate any trade.

[Chinook]

In short stretches, maybe. We're talking roughly 40 mpg over a series. He can't do it. And he was awful on James. Not through any fault of his own of course, he's just flat out not strong enough.

No player as limited and timid as Joseph has any business in a playoff rotation.

The point remains: If Leonard goes down, there's very few teams they could get by against, none of which are the legit contenders. Who tries to win a championship with one player ideally suited for defending the two best players in the world?

Green got scored on four times in the first five games (didn't chart the last two) by James. , he blocked him five times. Did you not watch the series at all? It's like you assumed Green couldn't guard James and completely tuned out everything but the bad possessions.

Leonard is about the only player in the league ideally suited to guard James and Durant. That's where 90 percent of his value to the team comes from. When it comes to secondary defenders, Green's about the best you're going to see.

But again, we arent disagreeing on whether the Spurs need another SF, and we definitely aren't disagreeing that they have messed up by not getting one. But they need one to spell Green if Leonard goes down, not replace him.

[TD 21]

lol negligent

They're doing fine, all injuries considered. I'm sure these last couple of victories have you upset, so I'll let it slide.

lol apologist

Since I know you're a devoted reader of my posts, you should know that I'm always about the big picture. Those wins were nice, but do nothing to change the fact that this team has a blatant hole that they refused to fill.

[SupremeGuy]

We got a tall, 3-point shooting backup SF for a player that we rarely used. If we can get him some open look and he nails them, he's already an upgrade over NDC.

[DPG21920]

Who was the Spurs Danny Granger?

From which perspective: Basketball or Financially? Financially, Spurs don't have an individual Granger. Basketball-wise plenty. What about the Hawes trade? Why focus on just the Granger deal if you are trying to make that point.

But you now realized you had to shift your own goal posts because I didn't say the Spurs didn't try, correct?

[DPG21920]

lol

Why do the gnashers have to lie? You guys make yourselves look ridiculous.

Can you prove people are lying? Can you say anything or point to anything specifically that would show I watched him less than you?

[Chinook]

Man, I enjoy reading some stuff on this blog and look forward to getting takes on games & trades, but there is some serious over-reaction to the decisions made by the front office. I will miss seeing Nando as he matures as an NBA player. I quite enjoyed what he brought in his limited minutes with the team - save for the turnovers & defensive mistakes. I wouldn't expect too much from Daye but who know's - I didn't really think Jeff Ayers would get the minutes he's been getting and I sure as didn't foresee Matt Bonner playing with this team (with quality minutes much to my dismay) for as long as he has. Still, the playoff rotation as nothing to do with this trade. Parker, Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Belinelli, Ginobili, & Diaw is your rotation. Match-ups aside, this is the team and if you think some mid-season trade was going to alter this with what the Spurs had to offer, you are most-likely dreaming. The Spurs are 1 of a few teams that still may win it all and to see anybody learning the Pop system and having good chemistry with this core at this point of the season is not going to happen. This is true with any of the playoff contenders - Pacers might (MIGHT) be an exception but probably not. I thought the Belinelli pick up was solid when I first heard about in the off-season and I sort of scratched my head on the Pendergraph acquisition but everybody analyzing the Buford/Popovich decisions should remember what you witnessed the last 2 nights. Most teams don't have the 6-15 players to be able to pull that off. By the way, I'm all for 2nd guessing some of the bone head moves but I think some of the takes have been a bit misplaced for this trading deadline.

Yeah. I've been saying that for a while. The deadline wad mainly about acquiring talent for cheap to me instead of adding to the core rotation. The Spurs have enough to win if everyone is healthy, and no trade was going to help if one of the top seven goes down.

[DPG21920]

I think I would rather have Granger's exp than Bonner's . . . I mean, forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's more money off the books, right?

I'll reserve judgement on who is the better SF when I see Daye in a Spurs uniform. The main problem with that statement is that the Spurs had a ing PG playing SF . . . Let's just have a looksee at the dude who is 6'9" and actually plays the position before we say NDC is a better SF . . . What say?

Sure, if you mean in a Spurs uniform. I have watched Daye play SF though.

[TD 21]

Green got scored on four times in the first five games (didn't chart the last two) by James. , he blocked him five times. Did you not watch the series at all? It's like you assumed Green couldn't guard James and completely tuned out everything but the bad possessions.

Leonard is about the only player ideally suited to guard James and Durant. That's where 90 percent of his value to the team comes from. When it comes to secondary defenders, Green's about the best you're going to see.

But again, we arent disagreeing on whether the Spurs need another SF, and we definitely aren't disagreeing that they have messed up by not getting one. But they need one to spell Green if Leonard goes down, not replace him.

Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you prove people are lying? Can you say anything or point to anything specifically that would show I watched him less than you?

I think we watched him not at all equally tbh, scout.

It's clear you need to have an opinion on every tiny move, and devote a lot of posts to it.

That's cool.

[HI-FI]

There's also literally zero chance Daye is worse than Jeff unless he just shows up the first day and shoots Tim Duncan in the face tbh.

[DPG21920]

Also, it's not like I won't be rooting for Daye to do well. I don't think he will, but I could be wrong (just like I have been before). But all I have is what I know now.

I was wrong about Kawhi (in the context of trading a young player for a younger player - not so much talent), but I just think Daye sucks.

[Libri]

Reading some old threads about Daye, he has gained only 8 pounds since 2009. He was listed at 205 at one point but has dropped down to 200. He should be 215 or 220 right now.

[ohmwrecker]

Sure, if you mean in a Spurs uniform. I have watched Daye play SF though.

OK. I've seen him play and I'm not impressed either, but if the Spurs can get a PG to play a few passable minutes at SF, maybe an actual SF who is tall can play a few decent minutes in this system.

[ChumpDumper]

Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.

So you were just lying about the five seconds.

Good to know.

Thanks for the alternate timeline though. Those are always great.

[Hoops Czar]

Trading away an expiring to sign up for a year and half of Daye. Goodbye Bonner, o Daye. Spurs don't do amnesties or buyouts so he'll be on the roster for the duration. The Spurs can add another immovable object to the bottom of the rotation. RC trying to make lemonade out of sour milk yet again. It really is all about the money.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm just happy we don't have 5 PGs anymore. That fact makes this a good trade.

[DPG21920]

I think we watched him not at all equally tbh, scout.

It's clear you need to have an opinion on every tiny move, and devote a lot of posts to it.

That's cool.

Why would I not have an opinion on every move as a Spurs fan on a Spurs message board? You are also being intellectually dishonest trying to pass off any Spurs trade (no matter how insignificant) as a tiny move. Trades and the trade deadline for actual basketball fans is a big deal with a lot of ramifications at times. From a Spurs perspective, they make the least trades in the league, so it is news worthy when they do make a deal IMO.

[TD 21]

So you were just lying about the five seconds.

Good to know.

Thanks for the alternate timeline though. Those are always great.

Taking the five seconds comment literally.

[SupremeGuy]

I'm just happy we don't have 5 PGs anymore. That fact makes this a good trade.

Exactly.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would I not have an opinion on every move as a Spurs fan on a Spurs message board? You are also being intellectually dishonest trying to pass off any Spurs trade (no matter how insignificant) as a tiny move. Trades and the trade deadline for actual basketball fans is a big deal with a lot of ramifications at times. From a Spurs perspective, they make the least trades in the league, so it is news worthy when they do make a deal IMO.

This is tiny dude.

Deal with that.

Taking the five seconds comment literally.

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