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    We got a tall, 3-point shooting backup SF for a player that we rarely used. If we can get him some open look and he nails them, he's already an upgrade over NDC.
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    This is tiny dude.

    Deal with that.

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    Obsessed with using sarcasm, yet unaware of it when you see it.

    Criticizing people for having an opinion on a message board.

    Thinks anything the front office does is automatically correct.

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    Sure, I already prefaced everything I said with the fact it won't have a large impact. That doesn't change the fact the trade deadline and any move is going to be discussed at length. , you are in here posting away about it - just in a different form. So it's obviously important enough to you to take your valuable time to counterpoint me and others.

    Also, I don't get the "wait and see approach". If that's all you do, what's the point of discussing anything? To me, the point is to analyze, use your knowledge and make educated guesses at what you think will happen. If not, it's pretty pointless posting online if you only talk about things that already happened after the fact.

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    Obsessed with using sarcasm, yet unaware of it when you see it.

    Criticizing people for having an opinion on a message board.
    caught lying.

    backtracking.

    Sure, I already prefaced everything I said with the fact it won't have a large impact. That doesn't change the fact the trade deadline and any move is going to be discussed at length. , you are in here posting away about it - just in a different form. So it's obviously important enough to you to take your valuable time to counterpoint me and others.

    Also, I don't get the "wait and see approach". If that's all you do, what's the point of discussing anything? To me, the point is to analyze, use your knowledge and make educated guesses at what you think will happen. If not, it's pretty pointless posting online if you only talk about things that already happened after the fact.
    OK, do you keep track of all your hits and misses as an NBA swami?

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    this,
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    They lost an expiring and gained a guy who will be tying up a roster next year. That in my book is a net negative.

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    I'm not taking a "wait and see approach". What else can you do, really? You want a bold prediction? Here it is . . . I think the SF will be a better SF than the PG. There you go. Analysis.

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    caught lying.

    backtracking.

    OK, do you keep track of all your hits and misses as an NBA swami?
    No - that would be silly to me. Although, I am sure if you just asked around for anecdotal evidence, most would say I tend to have a reasonable grasp on things. If it's important for you, you could probably make a poll though. , just make it a head-to-head compe ion tbh..

    I can't measure up to you batting 1000 with your uncanny ability to post your takes after you see how things have unfolded.

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    I'm not taking a "wait and see approach". What else can you do, really? You want a bold prediction? Here it is . . . I think the SF will be a better SF than the PG. There you go. Analysis.
    Sure, except I posted actual quantifiable evidence that suggests otherwise.

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    Sure, except I posted actual quantifiable evidence that suggests otherwise.
    You said you watched him play.

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    You said you watched him play.
    Huh? I have watched him play, most notably in DET. You tried to liken you saying "a SF is better at SF than a PG" to what I posted which was quantifiable stats that prove otherwise to date. How does that mean I haven't watched him play?

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    Only because he rarely guarded him. The blocks were mostly of the chase down/weak side variety. I watched every second of the series . . . too bad you didn't, or you'd know he's physically incapable of guarding him, which Pop quickly realized. He didn't just decide to make Diaw the secondary defender for the of it. They clearly wanted to avoid that, given his limited lateral quickness, but they had no other options, because the front office is incapable of doing their job.

    Which is not good enough, especially when you consider that this is two seasons in a row he's missed a good amount of time with an injury. I'm not calling him injury prone, but he's not exactly James/Durant, who are apparently indestructible.

    Just depends on the match-up. Really, they needed a combo forward, someone who could double as the fourth big. Marvin Williams would have been perfect. Would have given them the flexibility to start Diaw, if they wanted to.
    No, Green blocked James in the post in Game One, forcing a jump ball (which Danny actually won). He also had this gem:



    Obviously Green was legendary in transition, but he was great straight up against James as well. I actually charted every defensive possession (outside of garbage time) in the first five games. I know who did what against all the Heat players. Whether Pop thought Green did a good job is incidental, as he didn't allow James to score many points.

    Anyway, I meant that Kawhi is the only player in the league who is ideally suited to guard James and Durant. No team has more ideal Lebron/KD defenders than the Spurs as a result. Now, they should get a serviceable one, but they won't find one better than Green. Not Granger, not Clark, not Butler. The only team that has a secondary wing defender in Green's class is the Nets, and that's only because AK doesn't start. It's foolish to expect the team to acquire anything more than a situational forward who could spell the New Two if they got into foul trouble/needed rest in a small-ball heavy series.

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    No - that would be silly to me. Although, I am sure if you just asked around for anecdotal evidence, most would say I tend to have a reasonable grasp on things. If it's important for you, you could probably make a poll though. , just make it a head-to-head compe ion tbh..
    You answered my question. i can see why you wouldn't want to do it. Your rep is important to you.

    I can't measure up to you batting 1000 with your uncanny ability to post your takes after you see how things have unfolded.
    You can link to where I did that. Thanks.

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    19 pages of bliss over this trade at RealGMs. Too bad they overvalue Nando.


    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...f=32&t=1305507

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    Huh? I have watched him play, most notably in DET. You tried to liken you saying "a SF is better at SF than a PG" to what I posted which was quantifiable stats that prove otherwise to date. How does that mean I haven't watched him play?
    I thought you meant that you saying "I watched him play." was equivalent to quatifiable evidence. I don't know what this year's stats are going to tell you about Daye . . . I think he's only played in 8 games or something like that . . . This isn't really that important to argue about too much. Neither one of these dudes was/is going to help the Spurs in the playoffs, more than likely, but at least we don't have 5 PGs anymore.

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    You answered my question. i can see why you wouldn't want to do it. Your rep is important to you.

    You can link to where I did that. Thanks.
    Sure, first link to how I am lying about watching Daye in addition to me being negative about every trade/move. Until you prove that (which you won't) you are a liar.

    Also, if my rep was important to me (which please link me to proof that is true) why would I admit I was wrong just a few posts up about something else? You aren't making a lot of sense.

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    Well, can you make an educated argument as to why Daye should be considered better? Use box score stats, advanced analytics and any other non-anecdotal evidence to make your case. The point of being on ST, a site dedicated to a love of a team is to analyze things like this and discuss them. What's the point of being an obscure GNSF who's only take is "let's see what happens after the fact"..
    I not arguing for him at all. I just find it funny that you act like you know how he will be in our system. already predetermined. I don't think daye is being brought in to be a savior or anything but just a filler piece that we are hoping adds something. But for some reason you have decided to get all huffy and puffy about it like it is the end all be all of the season.

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    No, you don't get it. If Daye plays more than 5 meaningful minutes, he inevitably hurts the team more than a rarely used SG. I guess because he's 6'11", he should move to the front of the line because the Spurs need bigs and he's big and that makes him useful. Only a clown thinks a player who can't crack a fringe playoff team's roster is good enough to play back up to Kawhi on a contender.
    Really? you have proof of him in the spurs system doing this? You have a crystal ball?

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    I not arguing for him at all. I just find it funny that you act like you know how he will be in our system. already predetermined. I don't think daye is being brought in to be a savior or anything but just a filler piece that we are hoping adds something. But for some reason you have decided to get all huffy and puffy about it like it is the end all be all of the season.
    No. That's where you are wrong and what I meant by saying you don't get it. I already explained that the trade was irrelevant. Once I established that very early on, I moved on from that aspect to analyze the trade in a bubble. I don't think it's predetermined. I am simply using what I've seen from me watching him + looking at statistical data to make my opinion known. I never said it will wreck the season, in fact I explicitly said otherwise. What I did say is that I think Nando is a better player talent wise and on top of that, I think Nando could help more a SF too than Daye.

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    This guy was a worst player on a terrible team, cant believe there are people here that believe this is a helpful trade.

    Scrub for a scrub nothing more, but spurs wind up paying more in the end and I'm not sure why there was even any effort put into this trade.

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    No, Green blocked James in the post in Game One, forcing a jump ball (which Danny actually won). He also had this gem:



    Obviously Green was legendary in transition, but he was great straight up against James as well. I actually charted every defensive possession (outside of garbage time) in the first five games. I know who did what against all the Heat players. Whether Pop thought Green did a good job is incidental, as he didn't allow James to score many points.

    Anyway, I meant that Kawhi is the only player in the league who is ideally suited to guard James and Durant. No team has more ideal Lebron/KD defenders than the Spurs as a result. Now, they should get a serviceable one, but they won't find one better than Green. Not Granger, not Clark, not Butler. The only team that has a secondary wing defender in Green's class is the Nets, and that's only because AK doesn't start. It's foolish to expect the team to acquire anything more than a situational forward who could spell the New Two if they got into foul trouble/needed rest in a small-ball heavy series.
    I said mostly . . . what's with you guys and the semantics today?

    It's not incidental. If he thought Green could physically handle James in the post, he wouldn't have gone to Diaw. It's not just about how many points Green allowed, it's about the reality that they have to provide at least some help, which opens up the three, something they're already poor at defending, given their lack of length/quickness.

    They could have. Some of the players that have been discussed ad nauseam would have been better options than Green. As far as them needing a situational forward, I don't disagree. Even though I wanted Williams, Clark would have been fine. Was him or someone of his ilk asking too much?

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    This guy was a worst player on a terrible team, cant believe there are people here that believe this is a helpful trade.

    Scrub for a scrub nothing more, but spurs wind up paying more in the end and I'm not sure why there was even any effort put into this trade.
    The only thing I can figure is the Spurs needed a SF and had way too many PGs. I also haven't really seen anyone lauding this trade, but good grumble anyway. Your perpetual grouchiness is comforting.

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    Until you prove that (which you won't) you are a liar.


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    All in all I'd rather have another forward than guard for the last roster spot. It just makes sense. Chances are slim to none that he amounts to anything but we already saw enough of Nando here to come to the conclusion that he was too far behind everyone else. No one will know what will happen. Go back and read the Danny Green threads when he was up and down with the Spurs. plenty of people calling him a scrub in those threads as well at the time. While very minor in scope, it's still a good move.

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    Despite how annoying Chump can be, you are worse Chew.

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    Despite how annoying Chump can be, you are worse Chew.


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