These australian homers are getting ridiculous
what are you talking about...he can get where ever he wants on the court and only needs a second to get a shot off.
Its his finishing that needs to come..
Its a long way off...only these past few games he's getting double screens outside the 3 and the odd p&r.
It shows that we are staring to trust him...this is a few years away but assume he can finish in the paint at a 45% clip.
Its enough to justify the 3 or 4 around the world screens TP gets on the regular
Mills being a 22 & 6 pg within 3 years if he plays 35 mpg is a ridiculous notion?
yes, and on top of that. Mills playing 35 mins a game is a ridiculous notion. get your together.
Patty Mills doesn't have any hidden talent. He cannot attack the rim off the dribble and doesn't have anything close to TP's finishing ability. He's a jump shooter pure and simple. Outside of his scoring ability and his energy, he's nothing at all like a young TP (except his bench time). However he's also nothing like Gary Neal.
Patty can score the ball, that much we know. Running the point requires more though and even though he is scoring, he's not generating points through ball distribution. If he plays the point for 30 minutes, he's getting one or two assists. That's not PG play. He's got other options.
The Spurs don't need to live and die by his shooting percentage, so unless he can get others involved, he'll never be a viable alternative to a real PG. As much as Tony goes hero ball, he still gets his assists and he attacks the rim relentlessly when he's healthy. We don't need another shoot first PG. Maybe if the Spurs get Patty involved on some of the pick and roll plays with someone other than Baynes or Errors, he'd have assists, but his assist numbers right now aren't flattering for a PG.
If he was averaging 7 or 8 assists per game then sure. Right now, no. Unless he wants to play 2 guard, which he's too small to play at the defensive end, then he cannot take Tony's minutes except when Tony is injured.
These boards were saying the same thing years ago...
Laughing about Manu being a Euro Kobe
AK47 being a legit player
Tinsley > Parker
So much is about cir stance and opportunity.
Jeremy Lin doesn't even have an elite NBA skills and look what he did when given the shot.
Mills shooting isn't what impresses me the most. Its his end to end speed and fearlessness
All that's stopping him right now is his p&r play...speed cant be taught, handles and change of pace can.
I know that im against the majority of the board here but ive have been watching Mills since a 16 year old. I'm basing this prediction purely on his physical talent speed and the fact that this season is his "true" rookie year and opportunity to showcase.
I'm not convinced good handles can be taught. With patty, I think he's reached his potential and is now over achieving a bit
It's pretty hard to teach someone elite ball handling at the NBA level. I don't think you realize this. How many players are in the NBA that would be better if they improve their handles? loads. How many of them have actually done it? Not many. Pretty much anyone that is a good ball handler, already was one before they came to the NBA. I think it's something you need to learn at an earlier age for it to become second nature. He's always had the speed, but he's never had the handles to use it fully on the NBA level.
Anyone remember a young Beno trying to get past half court?
Its not even handles because Mills can break a press and intense pressure with little trouble... Its more p&r play but anyway..
Perfect example of a recent NBA player developing handles esp on the p&r
Paul George in one season improved his handles a mile
We were all hoping for Kawai and it will no doubt get better over the next couple season - same with Mills
Ross from the Raptors is in the same boat
You have a couple of good examples, but if you read what I said, I said there is WAY more players who haven't been able to do it.
Patrick's speed is incredible, but his ball handling is nowhere near Tony Parker's, which really hurts his game IMO. Tony Parker could get to the rack at a will when he was much younger than Patrick, but he couldn't finish from the get go, well, not like he can now, so I guess TP did improve his finishing ability greatly. I hardly ever see Patrick even attempt to get to the rim as he either pulls up for a jumper or gets in trouble with his ball handling well before then. Even if he does improve his ball handling, we might then find out that he is a crap finisher. lol. We don't even know what his finishing ability is like, because he never gets to the rim.
Anyway, I'm not saying Patrick can't do it. I'm just saying that it's not a given that he will get anywhere near Parker's level with his ball handling or finishing ability. He could do it, but I don't think it's as easy as you're making it out to be. It's going to have to be a lot of hard work on Patrick's part.
I can agree with that although i think its much easier for a lighting pg then a 6'8 SF to improve p&r play.
i was saying before i rate TP a better paint finisher then even Iverson. So for Mills to get on that HOF finishing level isnt something i'd wager on.
What i dont agree with is the idea that Patty cant get to the rim whenever he wants and that he is a SG in the pg body. Just like you said a rookie TP (with a green light to attack ) could get to the rack at will. Mills is cut from the same cloth, watch any of his Int play against pro players as a kid as a teenager and you will see the comparison.
Im speaking from strictly a prospect perspective because for me injuries in st mary's and his rookie season + weight gain delayed his progress. He was buried on that deep Por team. Theres an old article stating they still kept him after the 18 months off solely due to the speed and ability he showed to get into the rim a step ahead of everyone.
This is his real rookie year and he is starting to get the trust from pop to occasionally run some offense .
The recent Portland game was the first time he had regular picks to get to the rim and while i dont have the stats on me he hit his fair share of floaters and scoop shots.
Devin Harris had that same type of speed and although he had a very short shelf life his handles were on par if not worse then current Mills. I honestly cant think of another prospect with the same skill set.
Anyway im just glad to have the discussion...you guys think im crazy here but dont be suprised when he's starting for another team putting up 22 and 6-7 in 2 or 3 years time just like a TP. Just hope its with the spurs because i know he will get the right development there
Am Australian, have followed Patty for some time and yes, that is a ridiculous notion.
MI21
Give me your ceiling on Mills stats as a starter playing 35 mins in his prime (3 years from now)
Its clear he can average 20 in this league with minutes right now.
Its not ridiculous at all
I don't think you're taking into account that NBA defenses can take players out when they are geared towards shutting someone down. Unless you're a superstar level player, defenses can really take you out of your game when they focus in on you. I don't think anyone has yet to make Patrick a priority to shut down.
Ice you are one of tyhe few ppl who's takes i read on this board and i can see where your coming from
Jermery Lin and that seattle player (flip murray maybe?) are the two most recent examples of pg's that broke out with an extended hot streak and then came back to reality once defenses adjusted.
This year we have two - reggie Jackson and P Mills. The difference between these guys and the former is they have above average athleticsm and in Mills case Top 5 speed and lat quickness. ...while i think defenses will adjust and stats will drop its then up the player to develop counters.
This is a prediction ok.
ive seen plenty of ed up takes on this board with little to no substance on this board from the "vets" so go easy.
Agree, some ¨vets¨ are afraid Patty improves to the point TP will be replaced... If new players are improving is good for our team, I don´t care if Beli improves to the point Manu plays 2 minutes per game, or if the next year Spurs acquire a supertalented PF who makes Tim play 15 minutes.
So if the Millster s one game he never was that good but if Parker plays the whole season like hey...anybody can have a bad night right?
¨He was helping little children from Congo and got a little nervous and thats why he is not playing great so leave Tony alone... besides that Mills was lucky he is short and he will never make it¨(vet take)
Mills is regularily pouring in 20 point games in 20-25 minutes. I guess some posters here need to retake basic math.
Patty is an upgrade to Gary Neal in our second unit. The reason being that Neal would play "point guard" even though it was Manu that was truly orchestrating the 2nd unit. Neal was basically a 2-gaurd on offense who was defending PG's on defense, and he was an atrocious defender. Mills would be best in a similar offensive role to Neal (with Manu and now Marco helping making things happen), and he is much more adept at defending point guards than Neal was.
He's also better at attacking the basket than Neal was
Easy up!
We Aussies are proud about how well Pattys done, but we're not all blowing him.
Don't see how it's a ridiculous notion at all. In fact, if Patty played 35 mpg on a bad team, 22 ppg would be a bit low. I'd expect averages of 24 and 5 on a bad team like the Bucks this season, and 20 and 5 as the starting point guard of championship contending team like the Spurs.
Being as fast (or close to) as Parker and living in the paint like Parker are two completely different things. Handles, footwork, athleticism, absorbing contact, finishing--all things Parker clearly does better than Patty.
But shooting is something that Patty does much better than Parker. I don't see any point in comparing the two players. They're different players who have different strengths and weaknesses. I don't expect Mills to ever be as good as Parker at finishing at the rim, and I don't see Parker improving his three point shooting to the point where he'll be a consistent threat at the three point line (like Patty is). It is what it is.
...And Mills is much quicker than Parker was/is.
Last edited by Boomersgold; 02-24-2014 at 06:47 AM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
