Buyout Watch Thread

[crc21209]

Well if the FO knows something about MWP that we dont, cool. Hopefully the Spurs can land Granger or Clark....

[Spursfanfromafar]

Granger - damaged goods, et al - makes the most logical sense for the Spurs and the Spurs make the most logical sense for him.

If Granger is looking to revive his career with minutes carefully laid out for him, rehabbing plans, shooting dynamic changes, team defense fundamentals etc, then there are just three teams that are best suited for him - the Spurs, the Suns and the Mavericks, who all seem to have good health experts and are (non-washed up) veterans' ideal destinations. Granger will rule out the Suns and Mavs as they are less of a contender than the Spurs are. (He might consider the Heat, but I don't think he will like being Lebron's backup as much as he likes being Kawhi's backup, considering the latter offers him to play a mentor's role as well).

Granger's personality - no fuss, team oriented - is also exactly "Spursian". It is a great fit, despite the fact that he has regressed terribly and is a s of himself. But considering other options and the fact that he can still play acceptable defense, suggests that he is good to go for spot minutes.

[crc21209]

Granger just doesnt strike me as a . So I don't think he would go to the Heat. The Clippers just got Big Baby and already have guys like Re , Dudley, Barnes, Green, and Turkoglu at the wings, so their may not be time there. The Spurs may be intriguing to Granger since the Pacers are a similar organization to the Spurs. We'll see what happens..

[Richie]

Yup - unless some miracle Boris Diaw level fit happens, playoff rotation is set if healthy:

Tim/TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tiago/Boris/Danny/Patty/Beli

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

[HarlemHeat37]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

[NickiRasgo]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

Didn't Granger accepted the role as being PG's backup? And he was also pissed when he was traded.

[Chinook]

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

There still aren't many minutes available for a fifth wing in that scenario. 36 for Kawhi, 32 for Green, and 30 for Manu totals 98 minutes. That leaves like 20 for Beli and 26 for Diaw. And that's with no Splitter at the four, which will happen even against Miami or OKC.

[exstatic]

Granger doesn't really seem like the type of player to accept spot minutes, tbh..

He shouldn't be anything more than an 8th/9th man at this point, but it doesn't seem like reality has hit him yet, so he's probably delusional enough to believe he deserves to be a top 6 player on a team IMO..

All things considered, I'd be shocked if he doesn't choose the Clippers, Mavs or Bulls, tbh..those are the viable playoff teams that could give him a top 6 spot in the rotation IMO..

DG was playing 22.5 minutes in Indy, so yes, he will accept limited minutes. I also think he wants a DEEP playoff run, which rules out Dallas, and if the criteria is past the second round, the Clips.

[Mel_13]

Don't agree that is a set rotation. Against a team like the Heat, Thunder or even the Warriors who will play significant small ball minutes, there's plenty of room for Granger to get extended playoff minutes.

Against those teams mentioned, Tiago will only play 15-20 minutes while Timmy rests, or with Timmy when they play big (Thunder and Warriors both start with two bigs)

He wouldn't get huge minutes against a team like the Grizzliers or the Mavs who play big at the 4, but would give us good matchup options.

Assume that Splitter only plays the minutes that Duncan sits and that Tony splits the PG minutes with Mills. That leaves 144 minutes for Diaw, Leonard, Green, Manu, and Beli. There is not plenty of room for Granger, or any free agent signee, to get extended playoff minutes. Unless you believe that he will displace one of those five players from the rotation.

Granger's a smart guy. He carries himself like a Spur and would fit perfectly in the locker room. If, however, he places a high value on the probability of playing time this season, he won't choose the Spurs.

[Mel_13]

DG was playing 22.5 minutes in Indy, so yes, he will accept limited minutes. I also think he wants a DEEP playoff run, which rules out Dallas, and if the criteria is past the second round, the Clips.

If it looked like 22 mpg was available in San Antonio, I believe selecting the Spurs would be an easy choice for him.

[Mugen]

Signing w/ the Heat would allow him to enjoy South Beach and still get a chance to catch some sweet passes from Manu in the playoffs tbh.

[Richie]

Assume that Splitter only plays the minutes that Duncan sits and that Tony splits the PG minutes with Mills. That leaves 144 minutes for Diaw, Leonard, Green, Manu, and Beli. There is not plenty of room for Granger, or any free agent signee, to get extended playoff minutes. Unless you believe that he will displace one of those five players from the rotation.

Granger's a smart guy. He carries himself like a Spur and would fit perfectly in the locker room. If, however, he places a high value on the probability of playing time this season, he won't choose the Spurs.

I don't see it as impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups. I'd be willing to say Granger is a better defender than either Beli or Manu at this stage of his career. That may not matter alot against the Heat with players like Allen and Battier, but a big Warriors wing rotation of Thompson/Iggy/Barnes could burn a player like Belinelli and if 2013 Manu turns up I'd rather him on the bench.

Also I think you need to look at foul trouble as a real consideration against Lebron, Durant, Harden etc...

[Chinook]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

[Mel_13]

I don't see it as impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups. I'd be willing to say Granger is a better defender than either Beli or Manu at this stage of his career. That may not matter alot against the Heat with players like Allen and Battier, but a big Warriors wing rotation of Thompson/Iggy/Barnes could burn a player like Belinelli and if 2013 Manu turns up I'd rather him on the bench.

Also I think you need to look at foul trouble as a real consideration against Lebron, Durant, Harden etc...

Well, you went from "plenty of room to get extended playoff minutes" to not "impossible that he could displace one of those players based on matchups". I agree, it's not impossible.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

any word on earl clark

[Spursfanfromafar]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

Granger has always been an above-average defender. Re-read your scout reports.

He is average now, because of his injuries.

[Richie]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

I don't mean to imply he's a defensive specialist he's clearly not, but he's likely still a better defender than either Manu or Beli, if for no other reason than he has the size and length to compete against 3's and smaller 4's which the rest of our wings simply don't possess.

If we get him, I think his minutes will come down to how well Diaw can defend small ball 4s and how well Green and Kawhi can stay out of foul trouble. I put him in between Kawhi/Green and Marco/Manu, better offensively than the former and better defensively than the latter which gives him a good chance of discretionary minutes.

Of course that's just looking at the playoffs. The way Pop likes to rest the veterans and the injuries we've had this year, I don't see how he could average less than 20mpg for the rest of the regular season.

[SpursFan86]

Granger was a solid defender in the past. Not an elite Tony Allen-esque one, but he definitely wasn't bad or even average. Haven't seen him much this year...I'd imagine his defense has fallen off a bit. Can't be worse than Daye's though (right?).

[Mel_13]

I put him in between Kawhi/Green and Marco/Manu, better offensively than the former

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

[Sean Cagney]

For sure ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Spurs always get the cold shoulder from FA"s

You are fully correct. Clark I would go for.

[exstatic]

Granger's never been a good defender. Now he's probably really bad. He's certainly not a specialist type who'll be in for Ginobili or Beli. Plus the Warriors will play big a lot when healthy.

??? His opponent PER is about 10 this year.

[Richie]

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

I've seen his stats, but I don't watch a lot of Pacers ball so find it tough to comment.

I see at as one of two possibilities as to why his stats have dipped. He's either fallen off sharply with his injuries and is simply not the same player, or he has come back to a team in which there is no longer a place for him and is struggling to find his role.

The Pacers are a very average offensive team, I think any player would perform better in the Spurs system than in the Pacers. Also, even if he can't attack the rim or isolate like he once could, you don't just forget how to shoot. Get Parker dishing to him for open shots and his shooting percentages will tend back to his career average.

[SpursFan86]

Have you even looked at his offensive stats for this season?

Yeah...there's no denying Granger has been putrid on offense this year. However, 2 things:

1) He missed almost all of last year, and a decent amount of this year. There's a good chance he's still getting back into the swing of things.

2) Our offensive system is much more conducive to positive offensive results. I mean, look at Belinelli. He averaged 9.6 ppg last year on a 51.3 TS% (below league-average efficiency). This year he's averaging 11.6 ppg in the same amount of minutes on a 61.2 TS%...which is fantastic.

I'm not saying Granger would get here and immediately go back to how he used to be. But I wouldn't be surprised if he improved and became a solid scoring option off the bench.

[Chinook]

??? His opponent PER is about 10 this year.

Not that surprising, seeing as he plays for the best defensive team in the league and goes against backups.

[look_at_g_shred]

It's not a stretch to say Granger could be a valuable role player going deep into the playoffs. I think we can all agree here. Which is why he should be valued highly.