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    96% of those surveyed are either stupid or lying.
    I wonder how many of the selected scientists for the survey were not actually random...

    On top of that, any self identifies scientist who disagrees with the dogma is persecuted. How many of the refusals to respond were real climatologists instead of climatologists?

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    I wonder how many of the selected scientists for the survey were not actually random...

    On top of that, any self identifies scientist who disagrees with the dogma is persecuted. How many of the refusals to respond were real climatologists instead of climatologists?
    give examples of said 'persecution'

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    How many of the refusals to respond were real climatologists instead of climatologists?

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    96% of those surveyed are either stupid or lying.
    So you don't believe scientists could possibly enjoy satisfying their extreme curiosity at the expense of making big bucks? Some people go into jobs because they actually enjoy what they are doing despite the pay. They want to be thinking and tinkering because they ENJOY it. They LIKE Monday morning. Hard for you to empathize? and it's obvious why you don't think like thinkers.

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    You're mind is blown by the possibility that someone can believe in God and still accept evolution?
    For those Catholics out there... You realize your church accepts evolution?

    Or in the Protestant world, Catholics are heretics... With a Pope and false idols and all...

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    corporations aren't doing GM to benefit humans or the planet, but only for profits, and if people, water, air, land get ed up, so what? profit is profit, and everything else be damned.
    I work for profit. And I eat meat. So indirectly, I also screw the land. If you look at every single item YOU consume, food or otherwise, YOU are also fking things up. Do you invest money? If so, with whom?

    We can play a game of guilt and shame if you like. Boots, you need to hone your attacks, you cast a wide net and probably don't realize you snagged yourself.

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    I work for profit.
    boutons works for hate

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    So you don't believe scientists could possibly enjoy satisfying their extreme curiosity at the expense of making big bucks? Some people go into jobs because they actually enjoy what they are doing despite the pay. They want to be thinking and tinkering because they ENJOY it. They LIKE Monday morning. Hard for you to empathize? and it's obvious why you don't think like thinkers.
    Financially rewarding does not equal "making big bucks". Reduce their pay to minimum wage, if they don't go out looking for better pay they are stupid, if they and moan they were lying. I expect most would fall into the latter group.

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    Financially rewarding does not equal "making big bucks". Reduce their pay to minimum wage, if they don't go out looking for better pay they are stupid, if they and moan they were lying. I expect most would fall into the latter group.
    Because our government deems basic research valuable, they don't get minimum wage.
    And they can also become a US citizen a of a lot easier. This should set off some sort of recognition about what even conservatives understand about science. And yes, a number do get pulled off into private business. It's a of a good recruiting system, that could be better.

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    Financially rewarding does not equal "making big bucks". Reduce their pay to minimum wage, if they don't go out looking for better pay they are stupid, if they and moan they were lying. I expect most would fall into the latter group.
    The problem is that your "experiment" doesn't jive with the question. The question was basically asking what criteria they used at the moment they picked their career. Amongst the criteria was 'financially rewarding'. Past that moment, sure, they could've easily changed their mind, both on the financial aspect or the personal reward aspect. It doesn't invalidate the answers, nor make them stupid or liars.

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    Plus if the minimum wage is not a wage you can live on, then there's a problem is with the minimum wage. There's plenty of people that make a decent living and pass on making more money because of different reasons (ie:they find their current situation more rewarding, more flexible, etc). I don't think they're stupid or liars.

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    Plus if the minimum wage is not a wage you can live on, then there's a problem is with the minimum wage. There's plenty of people that make a decent living and pass on making more money because of different reasons (ie:they find their current situation more rewarding, more flexible, etc). I don't think they're stupid or liars.
    Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. People need to get that through their mind.

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    Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. People need to get that through their mind.
    Now we get wilddumb to tell us what things are 'supposed' or 'meant' to be. He learned it as he struggled through HS.

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    The biggest problem with the creationists' argument imo is that they want it taught in the science curriculum. If you want to believe in creationism, go for it. But it is NOT SCIENCE. It is not predicated on the scientific method. So don't try to confuse the minds of youngsters by saying that a religious belief structure is the same as scientific inquiry. It simply is different.

    If you want both creationism and evolution taught in school, teach one is religion class and one in science class. But teaching a religion class in a publicly supported school just might violate the cons ution.

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    Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage. People need to get that through their mind.
    says who?

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    Says my experience over several decades of living here. I would have never been able to more than have a roommate paying half the rent if I made minimum wage back in the 70's. $1.60/hr and $180 monthly rent.

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    Says my experience

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    $1.60 in 1973...

    Was that a living wage?

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    $1.60 in 1973...

    Was that a living wage?
    I dunno. I could rent a sub-100$ apt quite easily in '73...so yeah, it could've been.

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    $1.60 in 1973...

    Was that a living wage?
    That's roughly $8/hr in 2012 dollars...

    http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

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    I dunno. I could rent a sub-100$ apt quite easily in '73...so yeah, it could've been.
    Exactly... plus the minimum federal wage was created in 1938... "but my experience says"

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    I dunno. I could rent a sub-100$ apt quite easily in '73...so yeah, it could've been.
    But it depends on where you live, and when these people talk about a living wage, they are speaking of for a family. At $92/month, it would use 1/3rd of your income for rent. Today's $7.25 1/3rd income point would be $419/mo. You can find those as well today.

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    Exactly... plus the minimum federal wage was created in 1938... "but my experience says"
    OK, please give us a link that explains the legislators reason for creating a minimum wage. Also, it was $0.25 then. My grandfather used to tell us stories.

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    what did we say about assumptions?

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    OK, please give us a link that explains the legislators reason cor creating a minimum wage.
    you should know... your experience and all...

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