Buyout Watch Thread

[HarlemHeat37]

FYI Granger's comparative stats..

Isolation plays: 27% FG on 14 attempts, 0.57 PPP
Post-up: 44% on 35 attempts, 0.8 PPP(his best attribute IMO)
Spot-up shooting: 32% from the field, 32% from 3 on 69 attempts, his primary role with the Pacers this season
Off screens: 31% FG on 48 attempts, 0.8 PPP(the other role he had in Indiana)

Kawhi Leonard:

Isolation: 46% from the field, 1 PPP, one of the best in the NBA this season, despite the perception of many on ST
Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)
Spot-up: 37% from the field, 30% from 3
Off screens: 40% from the field, 0.81 PPP

Danny Green can't iso at all and he's only had 1 post attempt all year, but he's shooting 40% on spot-up 3s and 44% on 3s off screens..obviously his defense makes him irreplaceable, too, as he's probably one of the 3 best individual perimeter defenders in the league, at this point IMO..

[Mel_13]

FYI Granger's comparative stats..

Isolation plays: 27% FG on 14 attempts, 0.57 PPP
Post-up: 44% on 35 attempts, 0.8 PPP(his best attribute IMO)
Spot-up shooting: 32% from the field, 32% from 3 on 69 attempts, his primary role with the Pacers this season
Off screens: 31% FG on 48 attempts, 0.8 PPP(the other role he had in Indiana)

Kawhi Leonard:

Isolation: 46% from the field, 1 PPP, one of the best in the NBA this season, despite the perception of many on ST
Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)
Spot-up: 37% from the field, 30% from 3
Off screens: 40% from the field, 0.81 PPP

Danny Green can't iso at all and he's only had 1 post attempt all year, but he's shooting 40% on spot-up 3s and 44% on 3s off screens..obviously his defense makes him irreplaceable, too, as he's probably one of the 3 best individual perimeter defenders in the league, at this point IMO..

What he said, tbh..

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi Leonard:


Post-up: 61%, 1.23 PPP(ranked #1 among perimeter players in the NBA)

Talk about not utilizing your players properly..

[Richie]

to be fair (based on this season), that's what Granger would be on this team with a worse 3 and minus the D tbh.

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot. Give Granger the kind of looks Kawhi and Green get and there's no way his 3 point percentage stays at 33%. I'd expect him to at least get back to his career average of 38%. Can't argue with the defence argument, Green is a better defender, although I haven't seen Granger enough to say if he's as bad as some on here are making out him to be.

[Mel_13]

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot.

True, but career-altering injuries affect their ability to shoot and do the other things that established their reputations in the NBA.

[Mugen]

I just don't believe players forget how to shoot. Give Granger the kind of looks Kawhi and Green get and there's no way his 3 point percentage stays at 33%. I'd expect him to at least get back to his career average of 38%. Can't argue with the defence argument, Green is a better defender, although I haven't seen Granger enough to say if he's as bad as some on here are making out him to be.

Check out S-Jax last year before he was cut. Again, I'm fine with a Granger signing. People just need to temper their expectations if he does end up here tbh.

[Chinook]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.

[Mel_13]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

[timtonymanu]

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

Maybe this is the CIA Pop signing we are gonna get.

All the Granger/Jamison talk is smoke screen. (Wishful thinking)

[Chinook]

It's been very quiet on the Earl Clark front.

Yeah, it's strange. He did get waived and no bought out, though. Perhaps his stock is really low? Perhaps he's willing to sit out the rest of the season since he doesn't have to recoup money? If he signs on with a d-league team, I'll think he's gotten no looks. If he doesn't, it's probably his choice, unless we hear he's brought in for workouts.

[Uriel]

Earl Clark would stand to get more minutes on the Spurs than Granger would, because Clark would have a chance to work his way up to fourth big. He's a combo-forward in a good way. That's why I prefer him to Granger.

Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

[Mel_13]

Yeah, it's strange. He did get waived and no bought out, though. Perhaps his stock is really low? Perhaps he's willing to sit out the rest of the season since he doesn't have to recoup money? If he signs on with a d-league team, I'll think he's gotten no looks. If he doesn't, it's probably his choice, unless we hear he's brought in for workouts.

With the exception of a 50 game stretch with the Lakers, he's been a pretty bad NBA player and he wasn't that good for those 50 games. Better than Ayres, but that's a very low bar.

[Richie]

Check out S-Jax last year before he was cut. Again, I'm fine with a Granger signing. People just need to temper their expectations if he does end up here tbh.

Jackson was only ever a career 33% 3 point shooter to begin with.

[Richie]

Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

I was thinking this. Granger is the same size as Diaw, albeit with less bulk behind him. I'd take Granger at the 4 ahead of Ayres, Clark and Bonner against everyone but the Grizzlies and Pacers where you need someone stronger in the post.

[Richie]

With the exception of a 50 game stretch with the Lakers, he's been a pretty bad NBA player and he wasn't that good for those 50 games. Better than Ayres, but that's a very low bar.

I feel like Earl Clark is the classic case of being overrated because he played in a big market.

[Chinook]

Why can't Danny Granger play the Earl Clark, small ball PF role? He's a 6"9 SF.

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.

[Richie]

I don't see why we'd want Earl Clark when we have Bonner. If you want someone big who can stretch the floor Bonner is better at it, if you want someone who can play some SF which Bonner obviously can't there are better options.

[Uriel]

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.

Yeah, but if you combine the small-ball PF minutes with the spot minutes at SF and the situational / injury minutes, there's plenty of reason to think Danny Granger can average 15-20 MPG for us (which is a lot for a contender). That number may even increase, given Pop's infatuation with veterans.

[Mel_13]

Leonard and Diaw are the small ball PFs for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Yeah, but if you combine the small-ball PF minutes with the spot minutes at SF and the situational / injury minutes, there's plenty of reason to think Danny Granger can average 15-20 MPG for us (which is a lot for a contender). That number may even increase, given Pop's infatuation with veterans.

No way Pop's gonna sign Granget just to try him out at the four. Leonard is too good in small ball, and Diaw and Splitter could eat all the big-ball minutes by themselves. Clark would just give them insurance at both.

And Green's backing up Leonard at the three. That spot is already covered.

[Richie]

No way Pop's gonna sign Granget just to try him out at the four. Leonard is too good in small ball, and Diaw and Splitter could eat all the big-ball minutes by themselves. Clark would just give them insurance at both.

And Green's backing up Leonard at the three. That spot is already covered.

What's the point? He's not any better than Bonner.

Everyone is talking about rotations when everyone is healthy and playing, but that hasn't been the case all year and will continue. The closer we get to the playoffs the more rest the Big 3 and Kawhi will get, and in those situations Granger would be more useful in the rotation than Clark.

Also, I'm not filled with confidence with Green defending 3's, he's too small. We've seen that throughout the year, hence why everyone has been calling out the front office for not signing a backup 3 in the offseason.

[Mel_13]

One other thing on Clark.

It's just strange that Sixers waived him. His contract for 2014-15 was for 4.25M, none of which was guaranteed as long as he was waived by July 7th. That's a great trade asset and it's not like he's good enough to have derailed their tanking plans if they just kept him on the roster. Just strange.

[Mugen]

What's the point? He's not any better than Bonner.

Everyone is talking about rotations when everyone is healthy and playing, but that hasn't been the case all year and will continue. The closer we get to the playoffs the more rest the Big 3 and Kawhi will get, and in those situations Granger would be more useful in the rotation than Clark.

I think you're only worrying about the offense with regards to this last roster spot. A lot of people here want to add another defensive player in case Kawhi gets in foul trouble or injury. My ideal acquisition would be somebody who can give us solid minutes on Durant or LeBron, in which case, Clark would be the best out of the bunch tbh.

[Mel_13]

Also, I'm not filled with confidence with Green defending 3's, he's too small. We've seen that throughout the year,

No, we haven't. Green has played the majority of his minutes at the 3 and his opponents' PER is 8.1.

[Ice009]

Clark is an experienced power-forward who is also a competent SF. He's shooting 57 percent around the rim and 34+ percent from outside. He's not a small-ball only PF like Granger would be.

The Spurs simply might not think that Clark is a gamer. They might view him as a Ian Mahinimi type that has no instincts for the game. On paper he looks great, so we'll see if they are interested in him, if they aren't, then that is probably because they don't think he's much of an actual player.