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It strikes me that it's probably time for a neo testament. Chritianity obviously evolved somewhat from old -> new testament.
Anyone want to take a run at NTII?
Donkeys???!!!????
That's an ender for me.
It strikes me that it's probably time for a neo testament. Chritianity obviously evolved somewhat from old -> new testament.
Anyone want to take a run at NTII?
Christian leaders, esp the TV hustlers, who claim to know the mind of God whose voice they hear constantly, make up bull all the time, sort of a NT3 of oral tradition where they can make up their own, self-serving, self-enriching interpretative cherry-picking of the Bible which is supposed to be, according to them, literally true, but they're still dominated by the OT fables of hate, genocide, tribalism, magic, etc.
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Is God good or is good God? Since the link in the OP brought up objective morality, I ask spursncowboys this: Does God decide what is moral and what is not moral, or is morality objective and not even God can change what is good and what is bad?
Mormons beat you to it mang. Secret disappearing golden tablets revealed by angels and then lost unto history. That is genuine divine intervention.
Dammit!
Thx Capt. Buzzkill.
So God sucks at picking transcribers.
walking in the desert for 40days, is there really a difference walking through a ME city thats the same hole as the desert?
Fair enough, but you might have made that a bit more clear, then.
The OP is a tired bit of apologetics that verges on dishonesty. I find about as interesting in the same way excuses people use for why they commit crimes are interesting. Moral justification and gymnastics are always fun spectator sport.
Anyways, on to your questions, fairly asked.
I don't spend "time and effort to feel a particular way" exactly. I spend time and effort on things that interest me, and see where the evidence leads. I don't start with conclusions and then search for things that support that.
The differentiation between "Bible God" and "god" or "God" is intentional as a distinction needs to be made, between general claims about the existance of a God or group of gods, and the claims made about a diety in the Bible.
I don't claim that there is no God. I don't have enough evidence to make that rather conclusive claim, and it would take a large amount of it to really get there in my mind. I simply have rejected pretty much all the claims about God that I have seen, as lacking any good evidence whatsoever. The burden of proving the existence of a god, pink unicorns, purple pixies, or marshmallow sprouting leprachauns is on the people claiming they exist.
There is a mountain of fail in the Bible that pretty much should lead anybody with any sense to reject the miraculous claims and claims about magic sky people until a bit more solid evidence emerges. I doubt that it is coincidental that as our ability to explore and investigate our universe has gone up, the number of things attributed to "God" has gone down.
I would say that if god had done and said the things in the bible, it would be quite insane, and arguably evil.
As for my moral system, no cultural norms don't really play a big part if at all. Cultural norms are for things like tip amounts and social pleasantries for the most part. Such a thing would hardly, and should hardly, inform someone as to what is right or wrong. Demonstrable harm is demonstrable harm. Luckily I live in a liberal democracy, so such things are generally not in conflict with what I have determined to be generally right or wrong.
Talk about moral relativism.
29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.
30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,
31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.Bible God answered Jephthah's prayers, and Jephthah, true to his word burned his daughter alive as a sacrifice to Bible God.39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
One would assume that Bible God could have stopped Jephthah, as he did with Abraham and Isaac, but no such reprieve was given.
(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Sorry, I dont' buy the "everybody else was doing it".
It was ing evil then, and is ing evil now.
Is there anything you think in there is actually valid? I mean, is there any of that bull excuse-making that you somehow think excuses Bible God?
Or are you trying to use me as a bull detector?
I can keep going on and shredding the idiot in the OP if you wish.
No, it's OK that God used bears to kill those people because they were older than 12!
As I said, watching mental gymnastics of apologetics is fun.
"triple somersault to a backflip and BAM "ladz r adultz"
God must be bald and butthurt about it
Sigh.
Looks like another thread the SNC has started and run away from. Per par.
Thank you for the informative response.
1. I'm busy
2. Did I miss something.
You haven't shredded anything though. His points remain valid. I think that there are remarkable things that the bible has in it, new and old. revolutionary ideas that everyone at that time and even thousands of years later. Pacifism, womens rights, helping out the poor.
....slavery, killing the gay, holy bears eating children.....
Camel Lies, too!
Archaeologists pinpoint date when domesticated camels arrived in Israel
http://scienceblog.com/70133/archaeo...0zk0xZMzR7t.99
Apologies. I am generally not an overly patient person at times.
The bull about "indentured servitude" was shredded. That was some of the dumber, and more dishonest claims he made.
Since you seem to think his points are "valid" I will continue on, then.
How much do you need to admit that the guy might be full of ? Do you care about the truth?
So the OP thought this was an interesting response to some unsavory items in the OT...
I think one should just stick to some of the new archeological finds...
The stone from the time and possible interpretations.
The moral guidance stuff, check it at the door.
It tells us more about the people of the time.
Bears... I wanted some sort of walking jellyfish or a big earthworm... Just a lot of Bears?
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