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Tasty, tasty Vitamin I.
You're not intelligent enough to have an adult conversation with. I prefer to watch you meltdown like a12 year old.The adults are trying to have a serious conversation. You are now onIGNORE
Tasty, tasty Vitamin I.
Still don't see anything about going to war with Russia.
Do you have anything to add to this debate, or are you just going to be a jackass?
Here is another interesting article:
http://www.dw.de/sevastopol-the-ukra...ide/a-17463374
I'll take jackass for $300, Alex. Go sit at the bot table with boutons.
You have to ignore the lazy conflation of Fox News with mainstream conservatism. RG, like Tom Tomorrow, struggles with this occasionally.
Serious question: Unless Russia is planning on annexing Ukraine, how is this any different than what the US does all over the world?
It is by far the largest mouthpiece to the GOP and its president is GOP old guard. We are very lucky to have conservatives such as yourself that demand a higher standard but it still is what it is.
the "I'm A Pure, Holy Conservative" Bull
Same bull a libertarian fantasists.
Im still waiting on the inevitable GOP schism that I felt was imminent a couple of years ago. If the ing Tea Party would step up their game, we could get this ball rolling.
Gfy moonbat.the "I'm A Pure, Holy Conservative" Bull
Same bull a libertarian fantasists.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...kraine/284168/Geopolitically and ideologically, the West’s frontier has moved further east than almost anyone could have imagined a couple of decades ago. The bad news is that it has left the countries just beyond that frontier, the ones most eager to be connected to the West, terribly vulnerable. During the Cold War, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia shared that tragic fate. Today, Georgia and Ukraine do.
None of this remotely justifies Moscow’s crude and lawless invasion of Ukraine. The U.S. and its European allies should do everything possible to strengthen the government in Kiev politically, economically, and maybe even—clandestinely—militarily. And they should think creatively about what kinds of economic and diplomatic measures might hit the Russian elite where it hurts, with the hope of at least stopping a Russian conquest of all of eastern Ukraine. That such efforts may undermine Russian cooperation on other issues, like Iran and Syria, is a risk the West will have to take.
But the Obama administration will also have to tell Kiev’s revolutionaries that while it supports a unified, democratic Ukraine, it does not support an anti-Russian Ukraine. Russia will not permit it, and at the end of the day, the United States cannot protect Ukraine from Russia’s wrath. It’s a bit like Finland’s dilemma during the Cold War or Taiwan’s now. Even if Ukraine regains control over its domestic affairs, it will never enjoy complete control over its foreign policy. The U.S. has a moral obligation to support democracy and self-determination. But it also has a moral obligation not to make promises it can’t keep.
Wow...
What bias considering the other facts they are ignoring.
Looks like they might be trying to justify us militarizing the Ukraine...
Its a ing op ed.
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So you have made a decision who to believe on an issue we both have to read about. Relying on one person that has ties... that 2nd hand and very subject to bias depending on what region and ethnic group the ties are.
I will take the Western media over Russian govt. proclamations.
You seriously think Russian media would have published their own Snowden's findings? Seriously?
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The call to Taiwan was particularly apt. The US has a very limited set of responses.
What are you trying to suggest here? Why are you jumping to conclusions as to my beliefs? Do you think you know them better than I?
I don't know who to believe, but as I keep searching and reading, I am tending to believe that Crimea has welcomed Russia in to help them succeed from the Ukraine.
Why the are you going off on tangents that don't matter? Snowden is a completely separate issue, may he rot in .
As for you taking western media over the Russian... I already linked this, but here it is again, from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26410431
I am tending to believe the same thing. But clearly there are also many that don't want to be under Russian, or Kiev's control.
Ands it's secede, not succeed.
Tangents? The Western media are often watchdogs over their own governments. Yes they have slants, but are not run by the govt. So biased media... Which biased media? The biased media that published Snowden's stuff?
Coming from the guy that liberally uses the term lib on unsuspecting posters that don't lean left
That may or may not be Russia's endgame. I do know they have favorable agreements with both Crimea and Sevastopol that the Ukraine doesn't like.
stole my schtick too...
"The U.S. has a moral obligation to support democracy and self-determination."
WTF? USA's Imperial Corporatocracy has financial interests ONLY.
USA has "democracy"?
Human-Americans have "self-determination"?
Which one of the three stooges are you?
stole my schtick too...
Have anything of value for this thread, or are you just proving you are an overgrown adolescent bully?
The problem is we don't really know who is in control in Kiev. Until they get a stable government, Russia can claim the neo nazis have taken over again. Russia is reacting to their incompetent man going down, but also some fear that they will lose some influence in Crimea. It's easier to take control of Crimea right now while Kiev is in disorder.
I do believe they are trumping up Russians in Crimea getting abused somehow. There is no good evidence of this.
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