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    neat article. thanks, IRF.

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    The Corporate-American corporatocracy owns and operates USA, which includes nullifying the votes of Human-Americans.

    BigFood knows that Americans don't want GM , and that's why GM must not be labelled as GM , mysterious, pathogenic, unavoidable, SECRET in and on our food to increase BigFood profits.

    GM foods have no benefit for human consumers, and some proven detriments.

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    The Corporate-American corporatocracy owns and operates USA, which includes nullifying the votes of Human-Americans.

    BigFood knows that Americans don't want GM , and that's why GM must not be labelled as GM , mysterious, pathogenic, unavoidable, SECRET in and on our food to increase BigFood profits.

    GM foods have no benefit for human consumers, and some proven detriments.
    I told you to read about Golden Rice. Have you?

    Once you have please come back and explain thoroughly why you think this GM food has no benefits.

    The major problem you have is you don't even understand what GM actually entails.
    Your like the crazy people who think radiation remains in irradiated food because you have no clue concerning the process.
    You want it to be mysterious because it comes from big something. The only big you trust is big government.

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    I told you to read about Golden Rice. Have you?

    Once you have please come back and explain thoroughly why you think this GM food has no benefits.

    The major problem you have is you don't even understand what GM actually entails.
    Your like the crazy people who think radiation remains in irradiated food because you have no clue concerning the process.
    You want it to be mysterious because it comes from big something. The only big you trust is big government.
    My dear corporate shill, Monsanto invented GM to sell Roundup and enslave farmers to the Monsanto's seed monopoly and chemicals.

    radiated food and micro-wave food is , with the energy destroying much of the nutritional value.

    Again, radiated food exists because BigFood/BigAg don't want to spend the money to keep their food safe to eat without radiation. BigFood/BigA don't GAF about the quality of their , as long as they don't get sued.

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    My dear corporate shill, Monsanto invented GM to sell Roundup and enslave farmers to the Monsanto's seed monopoly and chemicals.

    radiated food and micro-wave food is , with the energy destroying much of the nutritional value.

    Again, radiated food exists because BigFood/BigAg don't want to spend the money to keep their food safe to eat without radiation. BigFood/BigA don't GAF about the quality of their , as long as they don't get sued.
    You eat irradiated food you fool. Almost anything with es is irradiated. Describe to me how the nutritional value of irradiated food is ruined considering spoilage does much more damage to nutritional value. Of course it's cheaper, you can't ship all produce and not have it degrade! You want your produce by Private Jet? You have that kind of money? You have not a clue as to what you write about.

    Tell me how Golden Rice is bad for people, please tell me as it is a GM food crop? Look it up and explain why it is actually a huge nutritional booster for 3rd world countries that subsist mostly on rice. You pretend like you love humanity (except Republicans) but you have not a clue about almost anything that takes a bit of science knowledge to understand.

    You are a drunken Democratic robot repeating the same old tired lines. You refuse to think for yourself, you can't look at problems on a case by case basis, it's to difficult as it might defy your dilapidated dogma. You are the other face of m>s.

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    "Tell me how GoldenRice is bad for people,"

    Tell us why Golden Rice really solves Vit A deficiency. Syngenta is pushing hard for GR licensing, profits, NOT to help Vit A deficient children.

    A paper not getting suckered by GR propaganda:

    http://www.foodwatch.org/uploads/media/golden_lies_golden_rice_project_2012_01.pdf

    questions raised:

    how much Vit A is really GR?

    How stable is Vit A in GR in realistic storage and preparation?

    What percentage of whatever amount of Vit A in GR is actually bioavailable?

    Is GR Vit A the best way to solve Vit A deficiency? What about much cheaper, much higher Vit A content (non-GMO) Vit A supplements?

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    boutons, have you read about Monsanto's GMO that makes it so crops are more tolerant of weed killer (i.e. round-up), thus can absorb more of it, meaning there's actually round-up in our food

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    "Tell me how GoldenRice is bad for people,"

    Tell us why Golden Rice really solves Vit A deficiency. Syngenta is pushing hard for GR licensing, profits, NOT to help Vit A deficient children.

    A paper not getting suckered by GR propaganda:

    http://www.foodwatch.org/uploads/media/golden_lies_golden_rice_project_2012_01.pdf

    questions raised:

    how much Vit A is really GR?

    How stable is Vit A in GR in realistic storage and preparation?

    What percentage of whatever amount of Vit A in GR is actually bioavailable?

    Is GR Vit A the best way to solve Vit A deficiency? What about much cheaper, much higher Vit A content (non-GMO) Vit A supplements?
    Oh yeah, just load up a bunch of supplements on a truck and ship it over. Tell the people to eat the pills, it's easy...

    See again you don't go deep enough. I told you to read about the entire story. One of the problems is also getting people to eat yellow rice. They don't like the yellow color.

    But does any of this make taking a GM crop and giving it a try wrong because, after all, the entirety of GM foods are corporate madness?

    Again, like always, you totally dismiss ideas because they don't fit your ideology. You and Joseph Stalin would be great together. His advisor on agriculture told him that Mendals/Darwin's ideas were a western crock of . They had huge failure in wheat crops that added to Stalin's legacy of starving people.

    Buddy up with a pure believer.
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    boutons, have you read about Monsanto's GMO that makes it so crops are more tolerant of weed killer (i.e. round-up), thus can absorb more of it, meaning there's actually round-up in our food
    I'm pretty sure Boutons has reminded you of that on several occasions.

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    I'm pretty sure Boutons has reminded you of that on several occasions.
    Where has he done that?

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    Where has he done that?
    I don't know where off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure he has.

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    I don't know where off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure he has.
    So do you have an opinion on the matter? How do you feel about eating round-up?

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    So do you have an opinion on the matter? How do you feel about eating round-up?
    I don't let it worry me. Now I do shop at the growers market when I want fresh fruits and vegetables, but when I buy bread or packaged goods, I simply don't think it's a big deal. I'm just pointing out that the Monsanto/Roundup issue is not new at all. It is years old, and almost certain Boutons has brought it up several times.

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    Where has he done that?
    I assume, obviously without justification seeing the ignorance here, that anybody in the GMO discussion knows the GMO products are only for the profits of the GMO corps, with nothing but detriment to the environment and humans.

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    I don't let it worry me. Now I do shop at the growers market when I want fresh fruits and vegetables, but when I buy bread or packaged goods, I simply don't think it's a big deal. I'm just pointing out that the Monsanto/Roundup issue is not new at all. It is years old, and almost certain Boutons has brought it up several times.
    Same. I don't eat that much bread/packaged goods but when I do I'm not thinking about organic/health/etc. and I don't think it matters. I'm trying to stay away from gluten as much as possible.

    And I honestly didn't read about the round-up thing until recently.

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    boutons, have you read about Monsanto's GMO that makes it so crops are more tolerant of weed killer (i.e. round-up), thus can absorb more of it, meaning there's actually round-up in our food
    Round up is very unstable. Has about a 24 hr period where it actually stays viable.

    So Monsanto has invented a crop that stores and increases the life of a chemical that is produced to break down?

    Link please.

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    Round up is very unstable. Has about a 24 hr period where it actually stays viable.

    So Monsanto has invented a crop that stores and increases the life of a chemical that is produced to break down?

    Link please.
    So you're OK with eating round-up

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    Duncan;

    Are you joining the Bouton's fan club?

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    So you're OK with eating round-up
    Its not round up after it's broken down into inert products.
    Say, have you heard of chemistry and chemical changes?

    Link please.

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    Round up is very unstable. Has about a 24 hr period where it actually stays viable.

    So Monsanto has invented a crop that stores and increases the life of a chemical that is produced to break down?

    Link please.
    glyphosate has been found to perist for weeks, so far.

    "Effects on fish and amphibians[edit]

    Glyphosate is generally less persistent in water than in soil, with 12 to 60 day persistence observed in Canadian pond water, yet persistence of over a year have been observed in the sediments of ponds in Michigan and Oregon.[19] However, low glyphosate concentrations can be found in many creeks and rivers in the US and in Europe.[86]

    A 2003 study of various formulations of glyphosate found that "risk assessments based on estimated and measured concentrations of glyphosate that would result from its use for the control of undesirable plants in wetlands and over-water situations showed that the risk to aquatic organisms is negligible or small at application rates less than 4 kg/ha and only slightly greater at application rates of 8 kg/ha.".[87] A more recent (2013) meta-analysis also reviewed the available data related to potential impacts of glyphosate-based herbicides on amphibians. According to the authors, because little is known about environmental concentrations of glyphosate in amphibian habitats and virtually nothing is known about environmental concentrations of the substances added to the herbicide formulations, if and how glyphosate-based herbicides contribute to amphibian decline is not yet answerable due to missing data on how natural populations are affected. They concluded that the impact on amphibians depends on the herbicide formulation with different sensitivity of taxa and life stages while effects on development of larvae are seen as the most sensitive endpoints to study. The authors recommend "better monitoring of both amphibian populations and contamination of habitats with glyphosate-based herbicides, not just glyphosate," and suggest including amphibians in standardized test batteries.[88]


    Glyphosate formulations are much more toxic for amphibians and fish than glyphosate alone.[44][89][90][91] Glyphosate formulations may contain a number of so-called ‘inert’ ingredients or adjuvants, most of which are not publicly known as in many countries the law does not require that they be revealed.[86]


    A study published in 2010 proposed commercial glyphosate can cause neural defects and craniofacial malformations in African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis). The experiments used frog embryos that were incubated with 1:5000 dilutions of a commercial glyphosate solution. The frog embryos suffered diminution of body size, alterations of brain morphology, reduction of the eyes, alterations of the branchial arches and otic placodes, alterations of the neural plate, and other abnormalities of the nervous system. The authors suggested glyphosate itself was responsible for the observed results because injection of pure glyphosate produced similar results in a chicken model.
    [92]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

    Like so many other toxic mega-corps, Monsanto has corrupted, compromised govt regulators, so it's essentially untouchable, beyond the reach of the law, while being extremely aggressive in suing farmers for "incidental/accidental" contamination.


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    I knew B- had the goods...

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    glyphosate has been found to perist for weeks, so far.

    "Effects on fish and amphibians[edit]

    Glyphosate is generally less persistent in water than in soil, with 12 to 60 day persistence observed in Canadian pond water, yet persistence of over a year have been observed in the sediments of ponds in Michigan and Oregon.[19] However, low glyphosate concentrations can be found in many creeks and rivers in the US and in Europe.[86]

    A 2003 study of various formulations of glyphosate found that "risk assessments based on estimated and measured concentrations of glyphosate that would result from its use for the control of undesirable plants in wetlands and over-water situations showed that the risk to aquatic organisms is negligible or small at application rates less than 4 kg/ha and only slightly greater at application rates of 8 kg/ha.".[87] A more recent (2013) meta-analysis also reviewed the available data related to potential impacts of glyphosate-based herbicides on amphibians. According to the authors, because little is known about environmental concentrations of glyphosate in amphibian habitats and virtually nothing is known about environmental concentrations of the substances added to the herbicide formulations, if and how glyphosate-based herbicides contribute to amphibian decline is not yet answerable due to missing data on how natural populations are affected. They concluded that the impact on amphibians depends on the herbicide formulation with different sensitivity of taxa and life stages while effects on development of larvae are seen as the most sensitive endpoints to study. The authors recommend "better monitoring of both amphibian populations and contamination of habitats with glyphosate-based herbicides, not just glyphosate," and suggest including amphibians in standardized test batteries.[88]


    Glyphosate formulations are much more toxic for amphibians and fish than glyphosate alone.[44][89][90][91] Glyphosate formulations may contain a number of so-called ‘inert’ ingredients or adjuvants, most of which are not publicly known as in many countries the law does not require that they be revealed.[86]


    A study published in 2010 proposed commercial glyphosate can cause neural defects and craniofacial malformations in African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis). The experiments used frog embryos that were incubated with 1:5000 dilutions of a commercial glyphosate solution. The frog embryos suffered diminution of body size, alterations of brain morphology, reduction of the eyes, alterations of the branchial arches and otic placodes, alterations of the neural plate, and other abnormalities of the nervous system. The authors suggested glyphosate itself was responsible for the observed results because injection of pure glyphosate produced similar results in a chicken model.
    [92]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

    Like so many other toxic mega-corps, Monsanto has corrupted, compromised govt regulators, so it's essentially untouchable, beyond the reach of the law, while being extremely aggressive in suing farmers for "incidental/accidental" contamination.

    now we are rolling...

    Good stuff. Light and heat break it down very quickly.
    But if you use it in colder places and dark (found in lake sediments) it lasts.
    Roundup is very ineffective at killing pest plants that grow slowly associated with cold areas.

    I have used the stuff at the prescribed concentrations and it will not kill weeds after two days if left in the dark.
    If you leave it outside, one day, it's very ineffective. But I use it only on fast growing weeds and that means heat and light. Never use it on winter stuff, useless.

    None-the-less, I learned something.

    Still does not damn Every GM crop. This is where you, Boots, disregard good science. But I found another article that is based on using it at concentrations that are too high.

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    Still does not damn Every GM crop. This is where you, Boots, disregard good science. But I found another article that is based on using it at concentrations that are too high.
    Every single GM crop is not to improve human and environmental health, both of which are almost certainly damaged by GM products, but to increase corporate profits.

    the "Golden Lies" do ent above should destroy your love for Golden Rice, but probably won't.

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