Lol at Daye comparing himself to Green (even Cavs Green). Danny's per-36 numbers have been pretty consistent his whole career. Pop just realized he had a valuable skill set that needed a slight at ude adjustment. Daye hasn't been nearly as successful despite getting more opportunity. Pop doesn't turn crap into gold; he finds people with the skills he wants and plugs them in. Austin's never been as good as Green. He has a lot of work to do to even be with the team for training camp.
So much hilarity in that article. Daye screaming for joy in his pillow. Duncan talking about Daye's physique and repeating how "long" Daye is. Drummond acting like Villanueva is a good player. Great stuff.
My Daye been reading my posts. I just don't understand how he stopped short of One-Trick-Pony IMO
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...en-the-chance/
Villanueva talked about Daye’s skill level and “high basketball IQ,”
Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha I hate you, man, but that was funny as .
Here's the other impressive quote:
Then Austin began to grow. He hit 6-4 as a sop re and ran the point. Over the summer, he grew five inches. He kept running the point as a 6-11 senior because he was the best at bringing the ball up the court. Now he was special, a big with handles who could run the floor, score inside and knock down threes. He averaged 30.9 points, 12.4 rebounds and 5.4 blocks.
who is hot avatar?
lmfdo blks higher than assists... ty pg.... tony's backup ?
He looks like he could be a Tayshaun Prince type.
I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Some people think that anyone smarter than them must be a genius.
Daye makes Anthony Davis look obese...
She's some hottie bartender from someplace. I picked up the pic from somewhere.
Ayres: His dad loves him??? Wow, he's even better at that than me
why the hate?
After I read that article, I was counting the days, even hours, until I heard the low-hanging fruit jokes about Ayers' dad. That was as inevitable as the seasons or tides. I am not disappoint.
As is often the case, some people get fixated on one or two aspects of a player at the expense of the entirety. It reminds me of the pitcher in Moneyball with the odd delivery; Chad Bradford. That's how they traded for value. It is very difficult to get anything of value if everyone believes it is valuable, without paying through the nose for it. They capitalized on misperception, and poor weighting (in valuation). While Daye's weight (in pounds) is an outlier, it is not something that automatically precludes him from being successful. There have been others, already mentioned, with NBA careers, with similar physiques. Is his weight a negative? Yes. But, in superficial valuations done on these boards, it seems too often to be weighted far heavier than it should be. Sarcastic remarks, misrepresentation of his actual weight (reportedly 216 not 200), downplaying the fact that others with similar physiques are just "better" ball-players so that doesn't count...etc.
If a mob of chickens gets its way, it will also peck to death the best layer, just because it looks different. They are oblivious to actual value. Bonner is another example of this effect. One of the only classes of people still politically correct to peck - Gingers. He's a ginger, therefore he is weak and valueless. His actual value has actually, while not great, always been more than what the mob valued him.
"Peter Brand: Billy, this is Chad Bradford. He's a relieve pitcher. He's one of the most undervalued players in baseball. His defect is that he throws funny. Nobody in the big leagues chases that, because he looks funny. He's got to be not just the best pitcher in our ball game, but one of the most effective relieve pitchers in all of baseball."
Of course, those that suffer from excludedmiddleitis, will believe that this is some claim that Daye is going to be the best bench player in all of basketball.
"Mills being a proud towel-waver that arrived with Brett Brown's blessing..."
I remember a lot of people making fun of Mills at the time, as well. A sports radio guy making a "bit" of his towel waving, etc. But, in the end, it's a plus.
"Daye basically is a Spur because the FO wanted to do De-Colo a solid."
This is a half-truth.
This notion gets a lot of run. It was public knowledge that De Colo was lobbying to be traded and the Spurs were attempting to accommodate him. It also seemed that they were "working" on accommodating him. It doesn't seem that they just traded for the first option they had (I could be wrong, maybe Daye was their one and only option, but I seem to remember reading allusions to them not finding the right solution, yet...etc). Everyone that says they just got Daye by accident while getting rid of De Colo seems to be implying that they didn't look for the best value that they could get in return. I just don't believe that's how they would operate. With a salary cap, roster limitations, etc, you just have to squeeze as much out of everything you can. And, I am sure that the Spurs did just that.
They didn't trade him for a bucket of wings. Although there is a joke in there somewhere relating chicken wings and the size of Daye's arms. I will leave that to the peanut gallery.
And, finally, saying that he isn't going to get any minutes in the playoffs isn't exactly a step out on a limb, there. I really don't see any claims from people that think Daye is going to get any significant minutes in the playoffs, so coming out with a statement like that is a straw man argument.
That being said, he is a human being, and anything is possible. People have done more difficult things with longer odds. I wouldn't bet on him getting significant playoff minutes, as benches shorten, they don't lengthen in the playoffs. But, more power to him. He is at a position we need depth at. They didn't trade De Colo for another point guard or shooting guard.
matt don't you have to play in a few hours?? get off the board!
Daye didn't exactly compare himself to Green in the way that you imply. He didn't bust out his and Danny's Per 36 numbers. He said that Danny wasn't getting playing time, now he is. That's it. He isn't exactly being pollyannaish. He is saying that in San Antonio, players that had not been able to get playing time elsewhere had been able to work their way into a supporting role. Nothing wrong with that, and a huge stretch to imply he introduced some sort of productivity argument between him and Danny. As per usual, someone makes a fairly innocuous statement, is lambasted for it.
However since YOU introduced the topic, I have a big issue with your false premise.
The cornerstone of your argument is that Danny has been consistent his whole career, even in Cleveland!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../dayeau01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...greenda02.html
From 3 Danny shot .273 for the Cavaliers, .368 first year with the Spurs, and maxed out at .436 his second year with the Spurs. He has trailed off slightly since then, but he SUCKED with Cleveland. Guess what, after 4 straight years with a steady system, he has flourished...but that is sort of the opposite of consistency. Now, we can move the goal-posts in your argument and say that he steadily IMPROVED...except that he has not...he has slightly regressed, so even his IMPROVEMENT is not consistent. I'll forgive that as it has been somewhat minimal...and he's been great for us. Not trying to pick on DG.
Daye on the other hand shot 30% in his first year. Higher than Green in his first year. 40% in his second year. Higher than Green in his second year (even though Green was on a much better team). That is when Daye's percentage goes to ...in his third year...the turmoil and mutiny in Detroit probably corresponds, somewhat, to that time-frame...then the shuffling from team to team...what happened...can it be fixed...I don't know.
However, if anything...those first two years show a higher ceiling and/or a similar growth to Danny. It is very difficult to know what Daye would have done if he had played here for four years. We are comparing apples to oranges. But, a claim that Danny showed a consistency that Daye lacks is erroneous.
They don't play the same position, so some things aren't fair to compare, or difficult. Daye's rebounding numbers are better, despite claims he is too frail to rebound, but he is TALLER, and plays a different position, sort of, so people will argue he should rebound better, of course. 2/3 vs. 3/4, I guess we compare. Etc. Etc. But, one thing that can be compared pretty fairly right across the board is his 3 point shooting percentage, and on raw numbers, I would say he has at least Danny's ability if not more.
I LIKED that he screamed into his pillow (he is happy to be here...(who wants a sad-sack like De Colo)), I am happy that his former teammates liked him and had confidence in him on the court (even if others think his teammates suck, I find it strange to list "good rapport with teammates" as a negative), 15th round pick (some people sitting in a room together agreed he had some potential), better handles than I expected (played point a little - I was led to believe he couldn't dribble at all - The Sandwich Hunter can already thank him for an assist in his 3 minutes of playing time), 6'11" (you can't teach height), potential 40+% 3 point shooter, YOUNG, NBA father that can help keep his head on straight and loves The Spurs, some potential rim protection (I loved that transition D block on D-Wade), Good hands (Um, Ayers), potential passing big like Diaw point-forward feeding the post...
There is a lot to like...if any of it can manifest.
I am still skeptical about his foot speed to guard on the perimeter, and his slight build makes him a liability in the post, probably. I am also worried about his bad at ude in Detroit, maybe. Hard to know what went on there but it doesn't sound good. With his dad and Pop, etc. on his ass maybe it was nothing or maybe it is corrected or correctable. People can surprise you when put in a corner...knowing this may be one of his last chances, maybe we see some fight.
So, I will light a prayer candle for the kid, as I am tired of watching undersized players at every position too often it seems.
Last edited by littlecoyotecoin; 03-11-2014 at 03:50 PM.
Just having a quick sandwich, then I'm heading out!
Greate analysis. Also, Daye and de Colo are from the same draft. Daye is #15 and de Colo is #53. Danny Green is #46 incidentally.
So the Daye is the highest draft pick in the current roster except for Tim Duncan.
The traded a #53 pick for a #15 pick? Shouldn't the Spurs community be more estatic?
What I do like is the fact that Daye knows that he does not need to be a multi-talented player with the Spurs. He just needs to do a few things very well. If he ends up like a 6'11" version of Danny Green, then I'll be more than satisfied with the trade.
If he doesn't show anything in practice or garbage minutes then Pop won't give him any minutes this year and he'll have to wait for summer league to show his talents.
So this may be a moot topic for a few months.
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