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    Boo, there was a vague insinuation of eventual EU membership for Ukraine, but only after trade was opened up and they could meet the financial baseline for membership.
    I'm sure USA/NATO/EU would bend over backwards to relax requirements in return for an ally with such a long border with Russia.

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    Welcome to Satan’s Ball

    The rise of criminal elites is global. Vladimir Putin is a megalomaniac and a thug who is filling his personal coffers while he is the leader of Russia, and Barack Obama, who has more polish and sophistication, will fill his own pockets, as did the Clintons, with tens of millions of dollars as soon as he leaves office. The banks and corporations for which Obama works are as criminal and corrupt as the Central Bank of Russia, which calculates that perhaps two-thirds of the $56 billion that left Russia in 2012 might have been from money laundering, drug trafficking, tax fraud or kickbacks. The circular system of patronage and crime that exists worldwide varies from region to region only by degrees and style.\

    The Western political and financial elites, Putin knows, will not touch him. He and they are in the same decadent oligarchic class. They hold the same values. Europe depends on Russia for 40 percent of its natural gas, most of which passes through Ukraine. European bankers and corporations have no intention of jeopardizing that flow, or any current or potential trade deals. Corporate profit is the driving engine of foreign policy. Our elites do not care about human rights or civil liberties, not to mention the illegality of pre-emptive war, any more than Putin. Ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia how much moral authority the United States has to denounce the violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign state. Ask those in our black sites and offshore penal colonies how much moral authority we have to denounce arbitrary detention and torture. Ask the 1.3 million people who lost their extended unemployment benefits in December or those who saw food stamp cutbacks reduce their spending by $90 a month how much moral authority there is left in our corporate state.


    Our elites have established the most efficient system of mass surveillance in history. They have abolished most of our civil liberties. They have trashed our economy for their own personal gain. They have looted state treasuries and thrown working men and women aside. Satan is again holding a great ball. You are not invited. I am not invited. Only the gangsters will be there. Putin will be an honored guest. So will Obama.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/..._ball_20140309



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    London’s Laundry Business

    The White House has imposed visa restrictions on some Russian officials, and President Obama has issued an executive order enabling further sanctions. But Britain has already undermined any unified action by putting profit first.

    It boils down to this: Britain is ready to betray the United States to protect the City of London’s hold on dirty Russian money. And forget about Ukraine.


    Britain, open for business, no longer has a “mission.” Any moralizing remnant of the British Empire is gone; it has turned back to the pirate England of Sir Walter Raleigh. Britain’s ruling class has decayed to the point where its first priority is protecting its cut of Russian money — even as Russian armored personnel carriers rumble around the streets of Sevastopol. But the establishment understands that, in the 21st century, what matters are banks, not tanks.


    The Russians also understand this. They know that London is a center of Russian corruption, that their loot plunges into Britain’s empire of tax havens — from Gibraltar to Jersey, from the Cayman Islands to the British Virgin Islands — on which the sun never sets.

    British residency is up for sale. “Investor visas” can be purchased, starting at £1 million ($1.6 million). London lawyers in the Commercial Court now get 60 percent of their work from Russian and Eastern European clients. More than 50 Russia-based companies swell the trade at London’s Stock Exchange. The planning regulations have been scrapped, and along the Thames, up go spires of steel and glass for the hedge-funding class.


    Britain’s bright young things now become consultants, art dealers, private banker and hedge funders. Or, to put it another way, the oligarchs’ valets.


    Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, gets it: you pay them, you own them. Mr. Putin was absolutely certain that Britain’s managers — shuttling through the revolving door between cabinet posts and financial boards — would never give up their fees and commissions from the oligarchs’ billions. He was right.


    In the austerity years of zero growth that followed the 2008 financial crash, this new source of vast wealth could not be resisted. Tony Blair is the latter-day embodiment of pirate Britain’s Sir Walter Raleigh. The former prime minister now advises the Kazakh ruler Nursultan Nazarbayev on his image in the West. Mr. Blair is handsomely paid to tutor his patron on how to be evasive about the crackdowns and the mine shootings that are facts of life in Kazakhstan.


    This is Britain’s growth business today: laundering oligarchs’ dirty billions, laundering their dirty reputations.


    It could be otherwise. Banking sanctions could turn off the financial pipelines through which corrupt officials channel Russian money. Visa restrictions could cut Kremlin ministers off from their mansions. The tax havens that rob the national budget of billions could be forced to be accountable. Britain has the power to bankrupt the Putin clique.


    But London has changed. And the Shard — the Qatari-owned, 72-floor skyscraper above the grotty Southwark riverside — is a symbol of that change.


    The Shard encapsulates the new hierarchy of the city. On the top floors, “ultra high net worth individuals” entertain escorts in luxury apartments. By day, on floors below, investment bankers trade incomprehensible derivatives.


    Come nightfall, the elevators are full of African cleaners, paid next to nothing and treated as nonexistent. The acres of glass windows are scrubbed by Polish laborers, who sleep four to a room in bedsit slums. And near the Shard are the immigrants from Lithuania and Romania, who broke their backs on construction sites, but are now des ute and whiling away their hours along the banks of the Thames.


    The Shard is London, a symbol of a city where oligarchs are celebrated and migrants are exploited but that pretends to be a multicultural utopia. Here, in their capital city, the English are no longer calling the shots. They are hirelings.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/op...ness.html?_r=0


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    Fred Kaplan identifies the contradictions in the Obama administration’s response to Russia:



    At a press conference in Kiev, he proclaimed American solidarity with Ukraine’s aspiring democrats. But he also acknowledged that Russia has vital interests in Ukraine, waived any desire for confrontation, and called for mutual “de-escalation.”
    But then, President Obama announced sanctions against Russia, banning travel of key officials, freezing assets, and suspending international forums. The question that no one appeared to acknowledge, much less ask or answer: How is it possible to do escalation and de-escalation at the same time?


    Kaplan cites this as proof of the clumsiness of the U.S. response, and he has a point. That said, we all understand the reason for the confusion. The first part of the response–correctly emphasizing de-escalation–is attempting to avoid unnecessary conflict and reduce tensions, and that is a defensible and responsible way to handle the situation. Unfortunately, the administration seems to think that it can’t really defend this sort of response in the current climate, and so has to indulge in punitive measures to demonstrate just how “tough” it can be on Russia. The second, punitive part serves no constructive purpose, and it actively undermines the effort to reduce tensions. It is being done all the same to satisfy hawkish critics at home, and they are most interested in punishing Russia even if it makes things worse.


    Dan Drezner has explained why U.S. economic sanctions would be of no use in compelling Russia to withdraw from Crimea, but goes on to say that they should be imposed nonetheless. While it’s possible that imposing sanctions could give U.S. and European leaders something to bargain with in the future, as Drezner says, there is clearly no appe e among most Western governments to pursue this course. Imposing sanctions now puts the U.S. at odds with the governments whose cooperation it most needs for a coordinated and unified response.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...y-of-sanctions

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    Of course, if Crimea wants to secede from Ukraine, the Texians, Confederates, bubbas will agree that it's nothing but "state rights", so what's the problem? (their position would be if a Repug were in the WH)

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    Of course, if Crimea wants to secede from Ukraine, the Texians, Confederates, bubbas will agree that it's nothing but "state rights", so what's the problem? (their position would be if a Repug were in the WH)
    I don't have a problem with Crimea seceding from Ukraine...It might even make it easier for Ukraine to lean west. Gotta remember Crimea has deep Russian roots and was the home to the Black Sea Fleet.

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    Just because they ask to join Russia, doesn't mean Putin has to agree. He's keeping his options open," says Sergei Strokan, foreign affairs columnist for the Moscow daily Kommersant. "It's a signal. Putin isn't being inconsistent. What he said still applies, he just wants a bargaining chip in what's getting to be a very tough game."

    Mr. Strokan says Crimea would best serve Russian interests by remaining nominally within Ukraine while being under de facto Russian control. Perpetually thorny issues like the status of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, based in Sevastopol, could be greatly simplified for Moscow if they fell under the authority of a local pro-Russian government in Crimea.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Secur...ors_picks=true

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    Pootin could carve out the Black Sea Fleet base from Crimea like US carved out Guantanamo from Cuba

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    Naaa....he will want the whole banana and will get it. It's just so more logistically convenient. Crimea being a part of Ukraine wasn't historical anyway...It's only been part of Ukraine for about 70 years.

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    You know, reading up on the corrupt history of the Ukraine, I'm surprised the EU is even entertaining the thought of bringing them in. the Ukrainian parliament was all for it in word, but never passed the legislation required to be accepted. The deposed president was for the integration into the EU until he saw tariffs from the Ukraine would become the same as the UE nations. Then they blame it all on him... And now... The Ukrainian police are rounding up and jailing Russian speaking Ukrainians. I wonder if it will be as bad as the Japanese internment camps we once had.

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    I was in a high end strip club in Palm Beach last week and personally I think those Ukranian women are worth saving at any cost. They take hotness to a whole nother level.

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    You know, reading up on the corrupt history of the Ukraine, I'm surprised the EU is even entertaining the thought of bringing them in. the Ukrainian parliament was all for it in word, but never passed the legislation required to be accepted. The deposed president was for the integration into the EU until he saw tariffs from the Ukraine would become the same as the UE nations. Then they blame it all on him... And now... The Ukrainian police are rounding up and jailing Russian speaking Ukrainians. I wonder if it will be as bad as the Japanese internment camps we once had.
    Ukraine is just in a ty geographical spot as far as global dynamics. They have never been anything long enough to establish an iden y as a country. The culture of "get it while you can because it could change tomorrow" runs too deep.

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    If the US had borders like the Ukraine there would have never been a USA.

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    If the US had borders like the Ukraine there would have never been a USA.
    Yep.

    The ocean separating us in those early days allowed us to secede.

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    Naaa....he will want the whole banana and will get it. It's just so more logistically convenient. Crimea being a part of Ukraine wasn't historical anyway...It's only been part of Ukraine for about 70 years.
    Crimea has the referendum, but Russia might not incorporate. might be better to keep a toehold in a nominally sovereign yet essentially Finlandized Ukraine than risk a European war and the scorn of the world. if Russia effected a schism -- i.e., a civil war -- it might alienate parts of Ukraine otherwise inclined to go along.

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    Crimea has the referendum, but Russia might not incorporate. might be better to keep a toehold in a nominally sovereign yet essentially Finlandized Ukraine than risk a European war and the scorn of the world. if Russia effected a schism -- i.e., a civil war -- it might alienate parts of Ukraine otherwise inclined to go along.
    From an economic point of view, Finlandization should be fine with Ukraine. Germany is the largest trading partner. They freely trade with the EU. Russia's proximity also allows for big trade.

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    You know, reading up on the corrupt history of the Ukraine, I'm surprised the EU is even entertaining the thought of bringing them in. the Ukrainian parliament was all for it in word, but never passed the legislation required to be accepted. The deposed president was for the integration into the EU until he saw tariffs from the Ukraine would become the same as the UE nations. Then they blame it all on him... And now... The Ukrainian police are rounding up and jailing Russian speaking Ukrainians. I wonder if it will be as bad as the Japanese internment camps we once had.
    The EU wants to trade with them. Bringing them in....

    Heck yes they were corrupt, that's why the upcoming elections were so important. Their last president was more pro Europe but got voted out, the woman. She was accused of deep corruption. But I don't think she bought her own personal zoo.

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    Crimea has the referendum, but Russia might not incorporate. might be better to keep a toehold in a nominally sovereign yet essentially Finlandized Ukraine than risk a European war and the scorn of the world. if Russia effected a schism -- i.e., a civil war -- it might alienate parts of Ukraine otherwise inclined to go along.
    I read someplace last night that Russia will accept them if they wish to join.

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    The EU wants to trade with them. Bringing them in....

    Heck yes they were corrupt, that's why the upcoming elections were so important. Their last president was more pro Europe but got voted out, the woman. She was accused of deep corruption. But I don't think she bought her own personal zoo.
    The UN doesn't want to trade bad enough. they set the conditions that the Ukrainian parliament wouldn't accept. I think both sides were holding out for a better deal. then when the president took the Russians offer, the parliament instigated a coup.

    Do we really want to deal with these corrupt people?

    They are not the legitimate government of the Ukraine. They violated their own cons ution in the removal of their president.

    Do we really want such crooks and liars?

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    The UN doesn't want to trade bad enough. they set the conditions that the Ukrainian parliament wouldn't accept. I think both sides were holding out for a better deal. then when the president took the Russians offer, the parliament instigated a coup.

    Do we really want to deal with these corrupt people?

    They are not the legitimate government of the Ukraine. They violated their own cons ution in the removal of their president.

    Do we really want such crooks and liars?
    They vote.

    Thats the first step. Free and fair, I'm sure they will have election officials from other countries on site after this mess.
    But, they vote.

    And the WE, this is economically small potatoes for the US directly. So I think about why we are involved. There are many reasons, and they are not all as cynical as most on this board believe.

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    Can't tell who the good guys and the bad guys are in this mess. We should steer clear of what is to follow. Perhaps only to posture that Russia takes no more than Crimea.

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    Crimea Declares Independence Ahead of Popular Vote on Secession
    Source: RIA NOvosti

    MOSCOW, March 11 (RIA Novosti) –
    The parliament of Crimea, a majority ethnic Russian region within Ukraine, declared independence Tuesday ahead of a popular vote on secession and annexation by Russia.

    The declaration appeared to be the latest attempt to shore up the legal basis of the upcoming referendum, which is scheduled for Sunday but has been declared uncons utional by the country’s central leadership in Kiev.

    A representative of the regional parliament’s press office said that 78 of 100 deputies voted to declare independence.

    The text of the declaration, published on the parliament’s website, claims that the action is in accordance with international law, specifically citing a 2010 ruling by the International Court of Justice that affirmed Kosovo had the right to declare independence from Serbia.
    Read more: http://en.ria.ru/world/20140311/1883...Secession.html

    The international law dealing with self determination reads: "All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

    In other words, people have a right to determine the nation they belong to. Ukraine signed that treaty.

    International law recognizes the right of nations to defend their territory from outside invasions, but it does not recognize the right of nations to prevent their own people from lawfully seceding. In spite of the hot air bellowing from various politicians, there's never really been any question that, under international law, the Crimean's have the right to declare independence and hold a referendum on their future. Russia has no right to be there, but the Crimeans do.

    The ICJ ruling on Kosovo simply reaffirmed a principle of international law that has been recognized since the 1950's.

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    [B]Crimea Declares Independence Ahead of Popular Vote on Secession
    Source: RIA NOvosti



    Read more: http://en.ria.ru/world/20140311/1883...Secession.html

    The international law dealing with self determination reads: "All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

    In other words, people have a right to determine the nation they belong to. Ukraine signed that treaty.

    International law recognizes the right of nations to defend their territory from outside invasions, but it does not recognize the right of nations to prevent their own people from lawfully seceding. In spite of the hot air bellowing from various politicians, there's never really been any question that, under international law, the Crimean's have the right to declare independence and hold a referendum on their future. Russia has no right to be there, but the Crimeans do.

    The ICJ ruling on Kosovo simply reaffirmed a principle of international law that has been recognized since the 1950's.
    So when the neighborhood you live in decides to secede and you don't want to tough ties... Leave your families land or become a part of Mouses pinhead Chemtrail movement.

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