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    There is zero evidence of one animal evolving into another.
    There is plenty of evidence. We have observed genetic mutations that create new species during the short period of time we've had to observe it.

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    isn't that evolution without the wizard part? what an idiot.
    You would be much better off including evolution in your view of the Bible. This is the problem most people have with evolution is that it seemingly has no place in the the Bible, detracting from its plausibility (not myself, for the most part at least, but Ive talked with hardcore creationists enough to know it's true).

    There are still a world of contradictions, but for the most part, it's really not that hard if you open your mind just the tiniest bit and be willing to believe evolution could have occurred. See the key is simply convincing (some might consider it fooling) yourself into believing no matter which way is really happened, you still win. I wouldn't suggest making a habit of doing it (if you haven't already...), but in this case, it's totally acceptable.

    I won't lie, that's exactly what I did. I'm not really a Christian, more of a deist or 'all-theist'.

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    You would be much better off including evolution in your view of the Bible. This is the problem most people have with evolution is that it seemingly has no place in the the Bible, detracting from its plausibility (not myself, for the most part at least, but Ive talked with hardcore creationists enough to know it's true).

    There are still a world of contradictions, but for the most part, it's really not that hard if you open your mind just the tiniest bit and be willing to believe evolution could have occurred. See the key is simply convincing (some might consider it fooling) yourself into believing no matter which way is really happened, you still win. I wouldn't suggest making a habit of doing it (if you haven't already...), but in this case, it's totally acceptable.

    I won't lie, that's exactly what I did. I'm not really a Christian, more of a deist or 'all-theist'.
    I believe in macro evolution or adaptation in a way. I do not believe that one species can ever evolve into another.

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    I believe in macro evolution or adaptation in a way. I do not believe that one species can ever evolve into another.
    Macroevolution = the type of evolution you've been arguing against for quite some time now...

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    Macroevolution = the type of evolution you've been arguing against for quite some time now...
    well micro then, not really up to date on my terminology. I believe that an animal can adapt to a new place or environment, but not evolve into a completely different animal.

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    well micro then, not really up to date on my terminology. I believe that an animal can adapt to a new place or environment, but not evolve into a completely different animal.
    This terminology was coined in the 1920's tbh.

    Lemme ask you a question: if an animal can adapt to its new surroundings, what stops it from constantly adapting to its surroundings for millions of years until it finally becomes a totally different animal?

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    This terminology was coined in the 1920's tbh.

    Lemme ask you a question: if an animal can adapt to its new surroundings, what stops it from constantly adapting to its surroundings for millions of years until it finally becomes a totally different animal?
    Who knows tbh, Someone better versed in science may be able to answer that question. I just don't see an animal turning into another animal. No proof of it anywhere. Maybe the proof is yet to be found.

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    This terminology was coined in the 1920's tbh.

    Lemme ask you a question: if an animal can adapt to its new surroundings, what stops it from constantly adapting to its surroundings for millions of years until it finally becomes a totally different animal?
    It didn't even take that long for elephants to evolve from a mastodon or mammoth like creature.

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    Who knows tbh, Someone better versed in science may be able to answer that question. I just don't see an animal turning into another animal. No proof of it anywhere. Maybe the proof is yet to be found.
    So if you don't even know anything about what you're arguing about, why are you bothering to debate it?

    You're willfully ignorant on a subject you've defended for how many dozens or hundreds of posts?


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    Who knows tbh, Someone better versed in science may be able to answer that question. I just don't see an animal turning into another animal. No proof of it anywhere. Maybe the proof is yet to be found.
    The evidence is seen throughout the fossil record. You can't absolutely prove it because evolutionary science has only been around a couple hundred years. It can't be physically observed in such a short time frame.

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    It didn't even take that long for elephants to evolve from a mastodon or mammoth like creature.
    I think it's a mixture of a standard evolution and punctuated equilibrium, depending on how 'well' an evolutionary trait(s) work out for a species, the species around it, and the physical environment.

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    So if you don't even know anything about what you're arguing about, why are you bothering to debate it?

    You're willfully ignorant on a subject you've defended for how many dozens or hundreds of posts?

    I said not very well versed, I've studied the subject and have yet to find any solid evidence for a so called "evolution". I can't get into specifics on the subject but as of today nothing has been able to change my stance on the subject.

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    The evidence is seen throughout the fossil record. You can't absolutely prove it because evolutionary science has only been around a couple hundred years. It can't be physically observed in such a short time frame.
    The reality is, we've seen it a billion times with microscopic lifeforms. It's the reason there's no cure for the common cold.

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    The evidence is seen throughout the fossil record. You can't absolutely prove it because evolutionary science has only been around a couple hundred years. It can't be physically observed in such a short time frame.
    So if it can't be observed how can anyone say its true? Its impossible to observe 1 species completely turning into another.

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    I said not very well versed, I've studied the subject and have yet to find any solid evidence for a so called "evolution". I can't get into specifics on the subject but as of today nothing has been able to change my stance on the subject.
    That's because you're being blatantly and willfully ignorant.

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    So if it can't be observed how can anyone say its true? Its impossible to observe 1 species completely turning into another.
    Actually, this happens all the time. Scientists study bacteria evolution all the time, and they can make bacteria evolve easily.

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    That's because you're being blatantly and willfully ignorant.
    Not really, I'm open to anything and all it keeps doing is reassuring my faith in a Creator.

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    Actually, this happens all the time. Scientists study bacteria evolution all the time, and they can make bacteria evolve easily.
    What about an actual Animal? Say a Cat or even a dog evolving into something else?

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    http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.Ux_YiIUa5GQ

    Read this. It is quite interesting and incredibly revealing about the fact of evolution occurring and how it has been proven without a shadow of a doubt.

    A major evolutionary innovation has unfurled right in front of researchers' eyes. It's the first time evolution has been caught in the act of making such a rare and complex new trait.

    And because the species in question is a bacterium, scientists have been able to replay history to show how this evolutionary novelty grew from the ac ulation of unpredictable, chance events.

    Twenty years ago, evolutionary biologist Richard Lenski of Michigan State University in East Lansing, US, took a single Escherichia coli bacterium and used its descendants to found 12 laboratory populations.

    The 12 have been growing ever since, gradually ac ulating mutations and evolving for more than 44,000 generations, while Lenski watches what happens.

    Mostly, the patterns Lenski saw were similar in each separate population. All 12 evolved larger cells, for example, as well as faster growth rates on the glucose they were fed, and lower peak population densities.

    But sometime around the 31,500th generation, something dramatic happened in just one of the populations - the bacteria suddenly acquired the ability to metabolise citrate, a second nutrient in their culture medium that E. coli normally cannot use.

    Indeed, the inability to use citrate is one of the traits by which bacteriologists distinguish E. coli from other species. The citrate-using mutants increased in population size and diversity.

    "It's the most profound change we have seen during the experiment. This was clearly something quite different for them, and it's outside what was normally considered the bounds of E. coli as a species, which makes it especially interesting," says Lenski.

    By this time, Lenski calculated, enough bacterial cells had lived and died that all simple mutations must already have occurred several times over.

    That meant the "citrate-plus" trait must have been something special - either it was a single mutation of an unusually improbable sort, a rare chromosome inversion, say, or else gaining the ability to use citrate required the ac ulation of several mutations in sequence.

    To find out which, Lenski turned to his freezer, where he had saved samples of each population every 500 generations. These allowed him to replay history from any starting point he chose, by reviving the bacteria and letting evolution "replay" again.

    Would the same population evolve Cit+ again, he wondered, or would any of the 12 be equally likely to hit the jackpot?

    The replays showed that even when he looked at trillions of cells, only the original population re-evolved Cit+ - and only when he started the replay from generation 20,000 or greater. Something, he concluded, must have happened around generation 20,000 that laid the groundwork for Cit+ to later evolve.

    Lenski and his colleagues are now working to identify just what that earlier change was, and how it made the Cit+ mutation possible more than 10,000 generations later.

    In the meantime, the experiment stands as proof that evolution does not always lead to the best possible outcome. Instead, a chance event can sometimes open evolutionary doors for one population that remain forever closed to other populations with different histories.

    Lenski's experiment is also yet another poke in the eye for anti-evolutionists, notes Jerry Coyne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago. "The thing I like most is it says you can get these complex traits evolving by a combination of unlikely events," he says. "That's just what creationists say can't happen."

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    LOL, high horse? You mean you can't stand that we're right.
    damn. talk about making my point for me

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    What about an actual Animal? Say a Cat or even a dog evolving into something else?
    Bacteria are animals. The term you're looking for is 'mammal.' Sigh.

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    Bacteria are animals. The term you're looking for is 'mammal.' Sigh.
    Ugh, no, they are not. And there is Zero proof of evolution. In the sense that one animal can completely evolve into a different animal.

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    That article is obviously biased and shows absolutely zero proof of evolution.

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    I'd rather be a fool than ignorant.
    of course you would but unfortunately for you your daddy was ignorant and your mama was certainly a dam fool...

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    of course you would but unfortunately for you your daddy was ignorant and your mama was certainly a dam fool...

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