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they aren't. it's out there. Ukrainian self-determination ain't all pretty.
This troubling racist element of the “inspiring” Ukrainian uprising has been mostly airbrushed from the U.S. media’s narrative, but more honest sources of news have reported this disturbing reality.
Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT
Crimea’s Case for Leaving Ukraine
Virtually everyone in Official Washington is condemning Russian “aggression” in Ukraine and demanding a belligerent U.S. response to Crimea’s desire to secede and join Russia, as a new Cold War hysteria grips U.S. pols and pundits
by Robert ParryIf you were living in Crimea, would you prefer to remain part of Ukraine with its coup-installed government – with neo-Nazis running four ministries including the Ministry of Defense – or would you want to become part of Russia, which has had ties to Crimea going back to Catherine the Great in the 1700s?
Granted, it’s not the greatest choice in the world, but it’s the practical one facing you. For all its faults, Russia has a functioning economy while Ukraine really doesn’t. Russia surely has its share of political and financial corruption but some of that has been brought under control.
A map showing Crimea (in beige) and its proximity to both the Ukrainian mainland and Russia.A map showing Crimea (in beige) and its proximity to both the Ukrainian mainland and Russia.
Not so in Ukraine where a moveable feast of some 10 “oligarchs” mostly runs the show in shifting alliances, buying up media outlets and politicians, while the vast majority of the population faces a bleak future, which now includes more European-demanded “austerity,” i.e. slashed pensions and further reductions in already sparse social services.
Even if the U.S.-backed plan for inserting Ukraine into the European Union prevails, Ukrainians would find themselves looking up the socio-economic ladder at the Greeks and other European nationals already living the nightmare of “austerity.”
Beyond that humiliation and misery, the continuing political dislocations across Ukraine would surely feed the further rise of right-wing extremists who espouse not only the goal of expelling ethnic Russians from Ukraine but Jews and other peoples considered not pure Ukrainian.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/09-7
they aren't. it's out there. Ukrainian self-determination ain't all pretty.
US media is following the US govt press releases, not reporting the news. US has a very long history of supporting, financing, propping up very nasty, murderous, undemocratic regimes when it suits US's interests, the foreign country's democracy or people. eg, Chile, Argentina, Philippines, etc, etc, etc
the prevalence of the far right in the current conflict is well do ented. the OP is baseless.
NEO NAZIS has got to be lamest bull , ur forefathers fought against nazism, only to see their offspring adopting it like some political push to get their agenda across
It's well do ented on the INTERNET.
But TV land and newspapers --and therefore the majority of casual viewers--live in the reality the US government tells them to.
bull .
WP: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...0e6_story.html
Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2618B20140307
USAToday: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ndera/4279897/
NBC: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...l-protest?lite
Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oleksa...b_4588507.html
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20824693
NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/op...-division.html
I could go on but this notion that the media is trying to sweep the nationalists under the rug is stupid conspiracy nonsense.
Ukraine: Will the Nazis and Jews Make Nice?
ating Jews is nothing new in Ukraine. As far back as 1648-49, Cossacks and their allies in theChmielnicki Massacres killed more than 100,000 Jews and destroyed some 300 Jewish communities. In 1920, as American, British, and French troops were intervening against the Soviet Revolution, Ukrainians waged a massive pogrom that killed some 60,000 Jews. Whether the country’s leader at the time, General Simon Petlura, quietly encouraged the attacks remains a matter of historical dispute. During World War II, Stepan Bandera and other home-grown quislings helped the Nazis slaughter hundreds of thousands of Russians, Poles, Czechs, Armenians, Gypsies, anti-Fascist Ukrainians, and Jews, including the thousands killed at a ravine near Kiev called Babi Yar.
http://readersupportednews.org/opini...jews-make-nice
Personal Responsibility!
The common thread in all these uprisings is they bring out the gamut of political views.
Of course the US has no neonazi nationalist element...
That is fail. Calling them "ring wing extremists" or "nationalists" doesn't do it justice. Maybe they go as far to mention "neo-fascist" in the body of the article (which no one reads). The reuters one goes so far as apologizing for them stating "Svoboda is currently best described as a radical nationalist party, and not as fascist or neo-Nazi," he said. "It is now not overtly anti-Semitic."" Another one quotes one of the party leaders itself saying that "we aren't neo-nazis I swear"
Ever wonder why they were attacking the Lenin statues? It wasn't because Russia had attacked yet.
I'll let you decide.
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What the is a white power flag (celtic cross), and a confederate flag doing in the Ukrainian parliment? Lots of southerners in ukraine I guess...
Although I think the crux of your argument is a false premise, At what point do you begin holding the individual responsible for ferreting out the news sources important to them and making their own decisions as opposed to being the angry dude that whines about the media?That is fail. Calling them "ring wing extremists" or "nationalists" doesn't do it justice. Maybe they go as far to mention "neo-fascist" in the body of the article (which no one reads). The reuters one goes so far as apologizing for them stating "Svoboda is currently best described as a radical nationalist party, and not as fascist or neo-Nazi," he said. "It is now not overtly anti-Semitic."" Another one quotes one of the party leaders itself saying that "we aren't neo-nazis I swear"
Ever wonder why they were attacking the Lenin statues? It wasn't because Russia had attacked yet.
I'll let you decide.
Here's a nice snippet from the daily beast.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a-machine.html
in other words lets ignore the real neo-nazis in ukraine and instead call putin hitler.Putin needed a story to spin, no matter how full of holes, and thus the neo-Nazi claims. But as it turns out, Crimea’s streets are not exactly paved with extremists—a fact that has proven troublesome for Russian state TV channels looking to find token far-right bogeymen.
I think the vast majority of people don't pay attention to anything but headlines and the news media knows it.
I think it'd be great if everyone could invest 20 hours + per week researching what's going on in the world but it's unrealistic.
I think the media is playing a very cynical game with the public by whitewashing important facts and then oversimplifying arguments to sway public opinion.
Public opinion has very far reaching consequences. It leads to war which causes death and destruction and ruins millions of lives to enrich the few at the top controlling it.
Yes its immoral what they're doing.
The Celtic cross does not mean white power.
However, these are the people who wanted the president ousted. The Euromaidens are the group of thugs, and these are the people Obama wants to support...
Ok debatable. It does according to the SPLC but they're a bunch of liars. Not sure the Svoboda’s know that though.
So it is your opinion that the individual holds no responsibility here even though you have concede there are outlets to get the information. This is 100% square on shoulders of the media. Is that what you're saying?
Well, I'm glad you're unable to argue this honestly but I'll give it one more go.
What do you think responsibility means?
I also think it'd be great if nobody ever stole or murdered but it's also unrealistic. Does that mean I also think they have 0 responsibility for their actions? Do I now believe we shouldn't put thieves and murders in jail?
My views are quite clear. You're just trying to put asinine words in my mouth.
Now you'll respond that you're doing no such thing. You're just asking questions.
Seriously arguing with people like you is boring
Thats blatantly false. There is a wide range of political groups in Kiev that wanted the president out, just like the president before him. They both were individually corrupt.
What the Russians clearly want is chaos in Kiev so that they can easily move forward in Crimea. And then if political infighting in Kiev continues, they can rightly claim there is no one to bargain with for any later control the Russians might wish to exert.
Human nature is what it is.
I guess roofers who don't want to spend all their time looking up the news are "irresponsible people."
Or maybe the people whose job it is to look at and report the news could have more responsibility to present it honestly. So yes the lions share of responsibility falls on the media.
So what gain is there for press outlets to get things wrong? Press outlets that are not State run.
1) I don't believe your assessment. The EU killed the deal, and then the president accepted Russia's offer.
2) The current government with the ousting of the president is not valid. We should not be helping them, out until they restore their cons utionally elected president.
3) Yes, most the people of power over there are corrupt. That's why Crimea wants to secede.
Responsibility, in this instance means, being a discerning consumer of new media. It doesn't mean you have to read everything, but identify solid news outlets and stick to them.
I could just as easily say it's unrealistic to ever eliminate poverty, and effectively refute the austerity measures your team has become so fond of in an effort to promote "personal responsibility".
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