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[z0sa]

Ugh, no, they are not. And there is Zero proof of evolution. In the sense that one animal can completely evolve into a different animal.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/scientists...pping-flagella

The researchers put Pseudomonas aeruginosa on special plates over a period of days. On those plates, bacteria that could spread out had an advantage in harvesting nutrients from the surface, and within a matter of days, some of those bacteria started hyperswarming...

Investigation of the bacteria showed that P. aeruginosa gained its hyperswarming ability through a single point mutation in a flagellar synthesis regulator (FleN). As a result, the bacteria, which usually have one single flagellum, were locked into a multi-flagellated state. They became better at moving around to cover a surface, but much worse at forming densely packed, surface-attached biofilm communities. All told, the researchers saw this new ability independently arise 20 times.

Proof, right there. It became an entirely different creature over the course of days. Scientists made it happen by applying the most simple, beginning and obvious fact of evolution - survival of the fittest. Not only did the later generations become wider, it grew a bunch of tails!

And bacteria are part of the animal kingdom.

[Koolaid_Man]

Nah. I think ill just live my life thank you very much. If I die and there's a heaven, ill tell god that I did my best to lead a great life and help others as much as I could. If he still wants to send me to (lol a forgiving god sending people to ) because I didn't go to church and worship him then I want no part of his "heaven" anyway.

hey numnuts there's no such place as a fiery ...and if there were how would you feel the fire if you depart your physical body @death? is translated grave...therefore = the grave...that's it...there's no eternal torment but there is eternal bliss

[RD2191]

So if evolution is true, where are all the new species? Why aren't we seeing fish come out of water? The conditions aren't right? Well, we're alive, so what gives?

[z0sa]

Ugh, no, they are not. And there is Zero proof of evolution. In the sense that one animal can completely evolve into a different animal.

It literally shows every part of evolution. It's pretty sad you can't see that, tbh.

[RD2191]

You're bringing up bacteria, I'm talking about a Mammal or a Reptile.

[RD2191]

Remember how you learned in tenth grade that evolution is a fact because bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics, and how evolutionists continue to proclaim this proof? Of course this evidence never explained how the bacteria could turn into a fish, or how the fish could turn into a giraffe. Nor did it explain how the bacteria evolved in the first place. The evidence didn’t even explain how the bacteria were able to respond so quickly to the antibiotics. Well if the whole argument wasn’t silly enough, now new researchfinds that drug resistance is actually an ancient trait because it was discovered in bacteria from an isolated cave in New Mexico, hundreds of yards underground:

A growing body of evidence implicates environmental organisms as reservoirs of these resistance genes; however, the role of anthropogenic use of antibiotics in the emergence of these genes is controversial. We report a screen of a sample of the culturable microbiome of Lechuguilla Cave, New Mexico, in a region of the cave that has been isolated for over 4 million years. We report that, like surface microbes, these bacteria were highly resistant to antibiotics; some strains were resistant to 14 different commercially available antibiotics. … This supports a growing understanding that antibiotic resistance is natural, ancient, and hard wired in the microbial pangenome.

This natural antibiotic resistance predates our use of antibiotics and could simultaneously (i) explain how such resistance appears rapidly after the introduction of a new antibiotic and (ii) relieve evolutionists of one of their already ridiculous arguments:

Clinical microbiologists have been perplexed for the longest time. When you bring a new antibiotic into the hospital, resistance inevitably appears shortly thereafter, within months to years. It’s still a big question: Where is this coming from. Almost no one thought to look at other bacteria, the ones that don’t necessarily cause disease.

Nothing in biology makes sense in the light of evolution.

[RD2191]

http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012...h-another.html

[tlongII]

of course you would but unfortunately for you your daddy was ignorant and your mama was certainly a dam fool...

I think I'll just shake my head at you now.

[z0sa]

You seem to think that just because one type of bacteria is resistant to our current antibiotics, it disproves the fact bacteria are evolving brand new abilities, including extra body parts they didn't previously have so they can be the fittest in their community. You also seem unaware there's many bacteria that were not resistant to antibiotics and now have become so through genetic mutations.

You wanna talk biased, that site certainly is. LOL I love the line "nothing makes sense in the light of evolution." That's not an extremely broad sweeping statement reeking of hyperbole or anything.

[z0sa]

So if evolution is true, where are all the new species? Why aren't we seeing fish come out of water? The conditions aren't right? Well, we're alive, so what gives?

There's probably a trillion species on the planet...

ever heard of amphibians? And there's even animals that went back into the water, see dolphins and whale anatomy.

And how can you not notice the extreme similarities between the Great Apes and humans? It's uncanny, and you have to really be putting on the blinders to not see the resemblance.

[DMX7]

Not really, I'm open to anything and all it keeps doing is reassuring my faith in a Creator.

Then you're clearly not really open to anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you so angry? Why are you scared? God does exist. You may think you can live your life without paying for your actions but the day will come when you will be judged on what you did. God is a loving God, no need to fear him.

God loves you!

He's gonna kill you!

[ChumpDumper]

So if evolution is true, where are all the new species? Why aren't we seeing fish come out of water? The conditions aren't right? Well, we're alive, so what gives?

Who's got segmented eyes?

[Blake]

http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012...h-another.html

^^ "how religion drives science"

[SnakeBoy]

Actually, this happens all the time. Scientists study bacteria evolution all the time, and they can make bacteria evolve easily.

This is natural selection not evolution, or macro evolution since most conflate evolution & natural selection. Scientist's cannot make a bacteria turn into a new and unrelated bacteria species.

The standard line is natural selection leads to evolution over "millions of years" but this is a bull line because it's not years that are important in evolutionary theory it is generations that are important. The term generations is never used though because then the theory either doesn't fit the fossil record at all or we should see new and unrelated species appear on a regular basis.

[Blake]

This is natural selection not evolution, or macro evolution since most conflate evolution & natural selection. Scientist's cannot make a bacteria turn into a new and unrelated bacteria species.

The standard line is natural selection leads to evolution over "millions of years" but this is a bull line because it's not years that are important in evolutionary theory it is generations that are important. The term generations is never used though because then the theory either doesn't fit the fossil record at all or we should see new and unrelated species appear on a regular basis.

So what's your theory then?

[SnakeBoy]

So what's your theory then?

Well I believe in science and God and don't find them to be incompatible. However, I don't conflate the two either. God is the why, science is the how.

So to answer your question specifically, I don't have my own personal theory of evolution. I do believe that with further advances in understanding the genome that Darwin's theory of evolution will ultimately be debunked and we will get a real answer to the origin of species. When it happens it'll happen quick, just think it wasn't long ago that science believed in a steady state universe and then one little discovery and that theory went into the trashcan.

[SnakeBoy]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.Ux_YiIUa5GQ

Read this. It is quite interesting and incredibly revealing about the fact of evolution occurring and how it has been proven without a shadow of a doubt.

So after 44,000 generations E. coli was still E. coli....cool.

[Blake]

Well I believe in science and God and don't find them to be incompatible. However, I don't conflate the two either. God is the why, science is the how.

So to answer your question specifically, I don't have my own personal theory of evolution. I do believe that with further advances in understanding the genome that Darwin's theory of evolution will ultimately be debunked and we will get a real answer to the origin of species. When it happens it'll happen quick, just think it wasn't long ago that science believed in a steady state universe and then one little discovery and that theory went into the trashcan.

so I'm guessing you believe in a young earth/literal translation of Genesis?

Otherwise, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be open to God and evolution being compatible.

Is macro evolution really that much of a leap for you from micro evolution?

[SnakeBoy]

so I'm guessing you believe in a young earth/literal translation of Genesis?

Otherwise, I'm not sure why you wouldn't be open to God and evolution being compatible.

[Blake]

I'm asking for clarification of your entire theory of how we got here.

But if you want to just post a jpeg and run away, it's no skin off my back.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm asking for clarification of your entire theory of how we got here.

But if you want to just post a jpeg and run away, it's no skin off my back.

I clearly posted that I don't find science and God incompatible. So how else should I respond when you "guess" exactly the opposite.

I also already said that I don't have my own personal scientific theory of how we got here and that I believe science will ultimately disprove the currently accepted theory of evolution. In other words, I don't believe that natural selection gradually leads to the development of new species. The fossil record clearly and repeatedly shows that at times life explodes with a great variety of new species. So some other genetic process must be occurring.

Clear enough now?

[Blake]

I clearly posted that I don't find science and God incompatible. So how else should I respond when you "guess" exactly the opposite.

i asked because clearly the Bible and science are incompatible.

very clearly, tbh.

I also already said that I don't have my own personal scientific theory of how we got here and that I believe science will ultimately disprove the currently accepted theory of evolution. In other words, I don't believe that natural selection gradually leads to the development of new species. The fossil record clearly and repeatedly shows that at times life explodes with a great variety of new species. So some other genetic process must be occurring.

Clear enough now?

The star of the show is a humble member of the daisy family, Tragopogon miscellus, better known as "goatsbeard," which began its long journey toward stability about 80 years -- and 40 generations -- ago."We can see for the first time what happens when a new species is formed," biologist Doug Soltis of the University of Florida said in a telephone interview. "We can see the process unfold, and it's still ongoing even as we speak. They (the plants) haven't figured all this out yet."


http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=13197168

That's 40 generations in just 80 years.

But even then, if you subscribe to the young earth club, I can see why you have issue with evolution.

For those of us though that understand that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or so, that seems to easily be enough time for basic life to evolve into where we are today.

[z0sa]

This is natural selection not evolution, or macro evolution since most conflate evolution & natural selection. Scientist's cannot make a bacteria turn into a new and unrelated bacteria species.

The standard line is natural selection leads to evolution over "millions of years" but this is a bull line because it's not years that are important in evolutionary theory it is generations that are important. The term generations is never used though because then the theory either doesn't fit the fossil record at all or we should see new and unrelated species appear on a regular basis.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...evolution.html

Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.

n 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.

Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s.

(Related: "Evolution's 'Driving Force' Shifts Based on Behavior, Study Says" [November 16, 2006].)

Lizard Swarm

While the experiment was more than 30 years in the making, it was not by design, according to Duncan Irschick, a study author and biology professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

After scientists transplanted the reptiles, the Croatian War of Independence erupted, ending in the mid-1990s. The researchers couldn't get back to island because of the war, Irschick said.

In 2004, however, tourism began to open back up, allowing researchers access to the island laboratory.

(Read: "Kayaking the New Croatia" in National Geographic Adventure Magazine.)

"We didn't know if we would find a lizard there. We had no idea if the original introductions were successful," Irschick said.

What they found, however, was shocking. "The island was swarming with lizards," he said.

The findings were published in March in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Fast-Track Evolution

The new habitat once had its own healthy population of lizards, which were less aggressive than the new implants, Irschick said.

The new species wiped out the indigenous lizard populations, although how it happened is unknown, he said.

The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained.

Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet.

Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids.

"They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been do ented before. "This was a brand-new structure."

Along with the ability to digest plants came the ability to bite harder, powered by a head that had grown longer and wider.

(Related news: "Komodo Dragon's Bite Is 'Weaker Than a House Cat's'" [April 18, 2008].)

The rapid physical evolution also sparked changes in the lizard's social and behavioral structure, he said. For one, the plentiful food sources allowed for easier reproduction and a denser population.

The lizard also dropped some of its territorial defenses, the authors concluded.

Such physical transformation in just 30 lizard generations takes evolution to a whole new level, Irschick said.

It would be akin to humans evolving and growing a new appendix in several hundred years, he said.

"That's unparalleled. What's most important is how fast this is," he said.

While researchers do know the invader's impact on its reptile brethren, they do not know how the species impacts local vegetation or insects, a subject of future study, Irschick said.

Dramatic Changes

The study demonstrates that a lot of change happens in island environments, said Andrew Hendry, a biology professor at Montreal's McGill University.

What could be debated, however, is how those changes are interpreted—whether or not they had a genetic basis and not a "plastic response to the environment," said Hendry, who was not associated with the study.

There's no dispute that major changes to the lizards' digestive tract occurred. "That kind of change is really dramatic," he added.

"All of this might be evolution," Hendry said. "The logical next step would be to confirm the genetic basis for these changes."

What's important to note here is we have the "original" version of the lizard still living as was constructed half a century ago. So we can observably see that in a very short time, generationally AND chronologically speaking, the lizard changed in order to thrive in its environment. This is a rare case where both evolution and natural selection are clearly on display.

In the (near and distant) future, an unending amount of these examples will be observed.

[z0sa]

So after 44,000 generations E. coli was still E. coli....cool.

So the ability to process an entirely new form of food that no other E coli can doesn't show evolution? They even reproduced the event by bringing frozen generations back. This means there's a genuine methodology at work.

If these e coli were released into a suitable environment, they would have a marked advantage over any other E. coli. They would dominate other populations.

Additionally, you can see even in the other 11 colonies that adaptation always occurs.