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    Financial markets were on high alert last night over the Ukraine crisis amid speculation that the Kremlin had pulled its vast US treasury bill holdings out of New York.


    News that more than $100bn had been shifted out of the US in the past week – at least three times more than at any time since the financial crisis – prompted fears that Russia is preparing for a western backlash in the form of sanctions and is moving its funds to safe havens beyond US influence.


    The bills were transferred out of the US central bank's deposit vaults last week, as the Obama administration increased the threat of sanctions in response to the growing crisis in east Ukraine. Last year the most moved in a week was $32bn. Analysts said that if the switch can be credited to Russia, it represents about 80% of the country's holdings in US Treasury bonds.
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/...aine-sanctions

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    Your point?

    Is it that we are stupid for allowing excessive debt?

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    Your point?

    Is it that we are stupid for allowing excessive debt?
    The Russians expect the US to start freezing their money. As far as T bills go the Russian pullout is a very small %. But with that move some of our debt was paid, yes?
    Read this as the Russians expect to get hurt financially.

    So WC, why do you think Russians bought US T bills in the first place?
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    The Russians expect the US to start freezing their money. As far as T bills go the Russian pullout is a very small %.
    Read the Russians expect to get hurt financially.

    So WC, why do you think Russians bought US T bills in the first place?
    taking the bills, so Obama wouldn't confiscate them.

    Buying them how ever long ago they were bought? Diversification.

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    taking the bills, so Obama wouldn't confiscate them.

    Buying them how ever long ago they were bought? Diversification.
    Our government will not confiscate them. If given time we would probably freeze them thereby not allowing Russia to pay for stuff, like invading another country.

    The bills are not bought at one time.

    If you as an individual had as much money as a country and wanted to earn interest off it without fear of losing some of it where would you put that money. Your first choice?

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    What this situation really needs is Jared Leto.

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    Corporate Interests Behind Ukraine Putsch

    Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation

    On Jan. 12, a reported 50,000 “pro-Western” Ukrainians descended upon Kiev’s Independence Square to protest against the government of President Viktor Yanukovych. Stoked in part by an attack on opposition leader Yuriy Lutsenko, the protest marked the beginning of the end of Yanukovych’s four year-long government.

    That same day, the Financial Times reported a major deal for U.S. agribusiness an Cargill.

    Despite the turmoil within Ukrainian politics after Yanukovych rejected a major trade deal with the European Union

    just seven weeks earlier
    , Cargill was confident enough about the future to fork over $200 million to buy a stake in Ukraine’s UkrLandFarming. According to Financial Times, UkrLandFarming is the world’s eighth-largest land cultivator and
    second biggest egg producer

    . And those aren’t the only eggs in Cargill’s increasingly-ample basket.


    On Dec. 13, Cargill announced the purchase of a stake in a Black Sea port. Cargill’s port at Novorossiysk — to the east of Russia’s strategically significant and historically important Crimean naval base — gives them a major entry-point to Russian markets and adds them to the list of Big Ag companies investing in ports around the Black Sea, both in Russia and Ukraine.


    Cargill has been in Ukraine for over two decades, investing in grain elevators and acquiring a major Ukrainian animal feed company in 2011. And, based on its investment in UkrLandFarming, Cargill was decidedly confident amidst the post-EU deal chaos. It’s a stark juxtaposition to the alarm bells ringing out from the U.S. media, bellicose politicians on Capitol Hill and perplexed policymakers in the White House.

    Big Ag Luminaries

    And what a committee it is — it’s a veritable who’s who of Big Ag. Among the luminaries working tirelessly and no doubt selflessly for a better, freer Ukraine are:


    –Melissa Agustin, Director, International Government Affairs & Trade for Monsanto


    –Brigitte Dias Ferreira, Counsel, International Affairs for John Deere


    –Steven Nadherny, Director, Ins utional Relations for agriculture equipment-maker CNH Industrial


    –Jeff Rowe, Regional Director for DuPont Pioneer


    –John F. Steele, Director, International Affairs for Eli Lilly & Company


    And, of course, Cargill’s Van A. Yeutter. But Cargill isn’t alone in their warm feelings toward Ukraine. As Reuters reported in May 2013, Monsanto — the largest seed company in the world — plans to build a $140 million “non-GM (genetically modified) corn seed plant in Ukraine.”

    And right after the decision on the EU trade deal, Jesus Madrazo, Monsanto’s Vice President for Corporate Engagement, reaffirmed his company’s “commitment to Ukraine” and “the importance of creating a favorable environment that encourages innovation and fosters the continued development of agriculture.”

    Just two days after Cargill bought into UkrLandFarming, Global Meat News (yes, “Global Meat News” is a thing) reported a huge forecasted e in “all kinds” of Ukrainian meat exports, with an increase of 8.1% overall and staggering 71.4% e in pork exports. No wonder Eli Lilly is represented on the U.S.-Ukraine Business Council’s Executive Committee. Its Elanco Animal Health unit is a major manufacturer of feed supplements.

    ... etc, etc, including Mrs. Victoria " the EU" Nuland

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/16/corporate-interests-behind-ukraine-putsch/



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    Mainstream US Media Is Lost in Ukraine

    Exclusive: The U.S. mainstream news media is reaching a new professional low point as it covers the Ukraine crisis by brazenly touting Official Washington’s propaganda themes, blatantly ignoring contrary facts and leading the American public into another geopolitical blind alley, writes Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry


    As the Ukraine crisis continues to deepen, the mainstream U.S. news media is sinking to new lows of propaganda and incompetence. Somehow, a violent neo-Nazi-spearheaded putsch overthrowing a democratically elected president was refashioned into a “legitimate” regime, then the “interim” government and now simply “Ukraine.”


    The Washington Post’s screaming headline on Sunday is “Ukraine decries Russian ‘invasion,’” treating the coup regime in Kiev as if it speaks for the entire country when it clearly speaks for only a subset of the population, mostly from western Ukraine. The regime’s “legitimacy” comes not from a democratic election but from a coup that was quickly embraced by the U.S. government and the European Union.


    Objective U.S. journalists would insist on a truthful narrative that conveys these nuances to the American people, not simply behave as clumsy propagandists determined to glue “white hats” on the side favored by the State Department and “black hats” on everyone that the U.S. government disdains. But virtually the entire mainstream press corps has opted for the propaganda role, much as it has in the past.

    Think Iraq 2002-03.


    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/16...st-in-ukraine/

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    Yeah boots, it was all perfectly planned.

    Ukraine presents a gigantic headache for everyone involved. You can't be serious with your rubbish. It will most likely end up making almost every nation involved poorer. You got the Putin boner as well.

    The Washington post has made it very clear there is a huge difference in ethnic makeup in different parts of Ukraine and explained it well, both sides. Rubbish.

    Do you cry for the Tartars, what should happen to them? Can they get their own State as well. Will the Russians come to their help?
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    Yeah boots, it was all perfectly planned.

    Ukraine presents a gigantic headache for everyone involved. You can't be serious with your rubbish. It will most likely end up making almost every nation involved poorer. You got the Putin boner as well.

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    You laugh at the displacement of the Tartars. A real humanitarian... You laugh when a Sheriff accidentally kills his wife,yet you pretend to show sympathy for the poor. You are sick.

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    You laugh at the displacement of the Tartars. A real humanitarian... You laugh when a Sheriff accidentally kills his wife,yet you pretend to show sympathy for the poor. You are sick.
    I laugh at YOU jerkoff.

    Where's your EVIDENCE that I support Putin invading Crimea and probably Ukraine?

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    I laugh at YOU jerkoff.

    Where's your EVIDENCE that I support Putin invading Crimea and probably Ukraine?
    Corporate interests behind Ukraine coup... Sure. Monsanto representatives aided the demonstrations supplying stones to throw at the riot police?

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    Corporate interests behind Ukraine coup... Sure. Monsanto representatives aided the demonstrations supplying stones to throw at the riot police?
    US Corporate interests are already in Ukraine, right since USSR collapsed. Ukraine aligned, allied with EU/NATO would ensure deep US corporate penetration, and probably takeover. Did you hear the US govt lady say in open mic " the EU"? US (corporate interests, neocons) have been messing in Ukraine politics for years.

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    Crimea votes overwhelming to join Russia.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6cb_print.html

    Self-determination es...... lol.

    Situation is ed up. Nothing but bad players everywhere.

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    Situation really backfired into Obama's face.

    Honestly, I don't know what's worse. Being an imperialist or being an incompetent imperialist.

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    Situation really backfired into Obama's face.
    any details on your fantasy?

    Obama wisely, and with support of majority of US people seen in recent polls, didn't stick his face in beyond diplomacy "officially", but US and US corps (the US govt works for the US corps) have been ing around in Ukraine since the USSR fell (under Pappy, Clinton, dubya, Obama), trying to get make Ukraine yet another colony of US corporate predators wanting to extract wealth from Ukraine.

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    US Corporate interests are already in Ukraine, right since USSR collapsed. Ukraine aligned, allied with EU/NATO would ensure deep US corporate penetration, and probably takeover. Did you hear the US govt lady say in open mic " the EU"? US (corporate interests, neocons) have been messing in Ukraine politics for years.
    So corporate interests in the EU and US aided in the demonstrations that led to the Ukrainian president fleeing?

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    So corporate interests in the EU and US aided in the demonstrations that led to the Ukrainian president fleeing?
    that's your straw man, you deal with it.

    US is also lying that it's not ing around in socialist petro-state Venezuela.

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    So corporate interests in the EU and US aided in the demonstrations that led to the Ukrainian president fleeing?
    Its a question, if it's a straw man just say, I have no idea.

    So your answer?

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    US is also lying that it's not ing around in socialist petro-state Venezuela.
    Go ask the Cubans, they sent troops requested. They are on the ground and have a highly trusted press. I can't help it if governments are not very innovative in getting petrochemicals out of the ground. Maybe people in Govt. should ask Norway how their government and country deals with oil companies and still is able to create wealth for its citizens.

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    Go ask the Cubans, they sent troops requested. They are on the ground and have a highly trusted press. I can't help it if governments are not very innovative in getting petrochemicals out of the ground. Maybe people in Govt. should ask Norway how their government and country deals with oil companies and still is able to create wealth for its citizens.

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    Thats what I thought.
    you've nary a clue

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    Thats what I thought.
    you've nary a clue
    ... says the guy who says the Cuban press is highly trusted!

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    ... says the guy who says the Cuban press is highly trusted!
    Sarcasm line drive over Boots playing Right Field...

    Christ...

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