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    You're better than this. 1) Taking one game to make a point is probably foolish. 2) Taking one game that happens to be against the 2x defending champs on their court who really needed a win is even more foolish.

    If you don't think the Rockets are capable of beating every team in the West I think you're crazy. Would they be the favorites in every series? No. But they are damn good and match up well with SA in particular. One loss against a Heat team focused on righting the ship, especially when they were in the game the entire time, is a little silly to me.
    1. It wasnt just one game, I have said it the whole year. Where have you been? Ask Djohn.
    2. Also read what I wrote Harden is the truth Parsons is coming along nicely ... does that sound like one game analysis
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    3. Do I think they can beat plenty of the west? Sure. Do i think they can beat a healthy OKC/SAS/LAC? No. I fell pretty confident. I also think a healthy Memphis could beat them as well.
    4. The top 3 West teams all have better coaching (even Scotty B which is sad).
    5. Only team I see Rox "upsetting" out of the top 3 is Clips cuz their defense has been shaky too ...but their coaching is superior and talent is on par with a deeper bench.

    We seem to disagree on who is "legit" every year. You make these arguments that a top 3 record in the West makes you a legit contender. I only See Miami, Spurs OKC as legit with Indy and CLips with a outside shot. NO one else is winning the LOB. Write it down I said it. bet your income tax refund, son ...

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    Bull . No way I would take Mavs cast or Kobe's over Heatles. I dont care what the numbers say. Heat played the GOAT coach and GOAT PF so of course some numbers were off tak away Lebron's amazing Game 7 and his numbers arent GOAT caliber either.

    POP is da .
    thats a toss up. Dirk's supporting cast was Chandler, Marion, Kidd, Terry for the most part, with sprinkes of Barea, Peja
    LeBron has had Bosh, Wade, Allen, Miller, Battier, etc.

    The Mavs were deeper, but the Miami cast is top heavy. Kobe's cast was better than Miami's though. Prime Pau > Bosh, not to mention Odom/Bynum, Ariza/MWP, and that annoying Fisher. Oh yeah, and Phil

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    No, it didn't delay the game.
    But, you're not supposed to purposely direct it. You're not the ref. WTF are doing there? As soon as it goes thru I'd be trying to jockey for the next play and position instead of watching it. It's all focus and discipline. I'm sure coach has went over the rule book a zillion times, but, if the guys don't obey then you'll suffer as you suffered today, needlessly.

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    Kobe's supporting casts were levels better, not even really close, and Dirk's cast was also better, especially considering the defensive effort needed to negate Dirk's mobility at that point of his career..
    GTFO ... Bosh is really a Pau "lite" Wade is leagues better than ANYONE Kobe has played with not named Shaq ... and I was referring to the recent Kobe "casts"

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    thats a toss up. Dirk's supporting cast was Chandler, Marion, Kidd, Terry for the most part, with sprinkes of Barea, Peja
    LeBron has had Bosh, Wade, Allen, Miller, Battier, etc.

    The Mavs were deeper, but the Miami cast is top heavy. Kobe's cast was better than Miami's though. Prime Pau > Bosh, not to mention Odom/Bynum, Ariza/MWP, and that annoying Fisher. Oh yeah, and Phil
    Wait what?! Wade s on everyone you mentioned ... even as a TOSB ...

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    No one is arguing that HOU is some sort of favorite to win it all. What they are arguing is you essentially bashing Dwight because he left you standing with your pants down & essentially saying SA should not be scared of HOU. That by nature implies that SA would pretty badly beat HOU and seems to underrate them.

    HOU is a damn good team who is fully capable of knocking anyone in the West out. Doesn't mean they will, but you are essentially acting like it would be some massive upset if they got to the WCF and it would not be.

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    GTFO ... Bosh is really a Pau "lite" Wade is leagues better than ANYONE Kobe has played with not named Shaq ... and I was referring to the recent Kobe "casts"
    Ugh - Dwight/Kobe/Pau/Nash/Artest is one of the most stacked teams ever.

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    No one is arguing that HOU is some sort of favorite to win it all. What they are arguing is you essentially bashing Dwight because he left you standing with your pants down & essentially saying SA should not be scared of HOU. That by nature implies that SA would pretty badly beat HOU and seems to underrate them.

    HOU is a damn good team who is fully capable of knocking anyone in the West out. Doesn't mean they will, but you are essentially acting like it would be some massive upset if they got to the WCF and it would not be.
    But, that ain't the goal. That's the means to the end. The end is winning the last game played in June. You don't do that you're 1 of 29. And daddy? Houston is one of 29 just as sure as the turnin' of the earth.

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    Ugh - Dwight/Kobe/Pau/Nash/Artest is one of the most stacked teams ever.
    Would you rather have that 5 on speculation, or, up 5 with the .28 seconds left, advantage=3-2 in a Finals?

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    Dude is a parrot that's lost the flavor of his phrases. Its sad that he has belittled himself to this

    I don't even know why you waste your time responding to someone that is living through other teams and can't hold a decent bball discussion.
    I hate Dwight but didnt even mention his "airball hook" so that Dwight wasnt in the convo. I know I dont like him so I did not bring him up.
    How am I parrot the only thing I parrot is that it's a two franchise player league and that Heat will 3 peat.

    Just because you dont like the message no need to get all butthurt.
    Your team is much better than mine ...so there is that.
    I dont see a legit le contender but I am not the only one saying that ...

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    Ugh - Dwight/Kobe/Pau/Nash/Artest is one of the most stacked teams ever.
    Yep Dwight was broke down that is obvious
    Kobe/Pau past his prime
    Nash/Artest way past his

    Great on paper Wade still better than all of 'em ...dwight included.

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    No one is arguing that HOU is some sort of favorite to win it all. What they are arguing is you essentially bashing Dwight because he left you standing with your pants down & essentially saying SA should not be scared of HOU. That by nature implies that SA would pretty badly beat HOU and seems to underrate them.

    HOU is a damn good team who is fully capable of knocking anyone in the West out. Doesn't mean they will, but you are essentially acting like it would be some massive upset if they got to the WCF and it would not be.
    In my eyes yes it would be.
    2nd round team at best.
    My dwight hate has nothing to do with ty coaching and ty PG play.
    Just because they bust your ass 3 times this season does not impress me.

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    GTFO ... Bosh is really a Pau "lite" Wade is leagues better than ANYONE Kobe has played with not named Shaq ... and I was referring to the recent Kobe "casts"
    Prime Shaq > anyone LeBron's had.... add in Horry, Payton, Malone, MVPau, Odom, Bynum, etc. and it's just unfair

    If LeBron had Kirby's help, his fingers would be looking like Bill Russell's

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    I hate Dwight but didnt even mention his "airball hook" so that Dwight wasnt in the convo. I know I dont like him so I did not bring him up.
    How am I parrot the only thing I parrot is that it's a two franchise player league and that Heat will 3 peat.

    Just because you dont like the message no need to get all butthurt.
    Your team is much better than mine ...so there is that.
    I dont see a legit le contender but I am not the only one saying that ...


    I hit the wrong button, you're not a parrot. There is only one parrot on this forum and he does belong to your fanbase though.

    I don't think your a bad poster, I already said that earlier.

    I'll go back and edit.

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    From a Eastern Conference NBA scout:

    "They're like that NCAA team, that seventh seed that can knock off a No. 1 seed but doesn't have enough juice to go all the way to the Final Four. The Rockets are going to be a pain in the ass for somebody in the playoffs and can definitely knock somebody out if the matchup is right. Especially if Dwight continues to bounce back; he's moving so much better than he was a year ago.

    "The problem in the playoffs is that, eventually, execution matters. [The Rockets] play at one speed -- and they play great at that speed -- but at some point they're going to run into somebody who makes that a problem for them.

    "The one team that nobody wants to mess with in the playoffs is Memphis. They're the one team that can make every series a street fight and really play a nasty, physical game. Who else in the West can really say that?

    "But Memphis and Houston aren't all that different in this one sense: Can they run the table and go all the way? Like Houston, you have to say probably not.



    All things I have said recently in fact I have posted the same the past two days. One that Memphis is not a easy out and that the Rox though dangerous cannot win it all.

    since you love bets so much why dont you wager on it? I say no way in Rox could beat Spurs healthy OKC or MIA in a series. What stakes you want to place on it, DPG?


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    Prime Shaq > anyone LeBron's had.... add in Horry, Payton, Malone, MVPau, Odom, Bynum, etc. and it's just unfair

    If LeBron had Kirby's help, his fingers would be looking like Bill Russell's
    I said RECENT Kobe casts ...READING Is like Timmy or KOBE FUNDAMENTAL ....

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    But of course Shaq is better than Wade ...never said he was not ...

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    I said RECENT Kobe casts ...READING Is like Timmy or KOBE FUNDAMENTAL ....
    MVPau, Bynum, and Odom are recent, tbh, and LeBron three-peats with that team instead of getting housed by the Celtics in '08....

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    No one is arguing that HOU is some sort of favorite to win it all. What they are arguing is you essentially bashing Dwight because he left you standing with your pants down & essentially saying SA should not be scared of HOU. That by nature implies that SA would pretty badly beat HOU and seems to underrate them.

    HOU is a damn good team who is fully capable of knocking anyone in the West out. Doesn't mean they will, but you are essentially acting like it would be some massive upset if they got to the WCF and it would not be.
    Possible but doubtful need great matchups to sniff WCF

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    MVPau, Bynum, and Odom are recent, tbh, and LeBron three-peats with that team instead of getting housed by the Celtics in '08....
    Bynum was hurt so was Ariza but nice try ...
    Lebron had superfriends still lost to Mavs who are not as good as 2008 Celts ...

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    From a Eastern Conference NBA scout:

    "They're like that NCAA team, that seventh seed that can knock off a No. 1 seed but doesn't have enough juice to go all the way to the Final Four. The Rockets are going to be a pain in the ass for somebody in the playoffs and can definitely knock somebody out if the matchup is right. Especially if Dwight continues to bounce back; he's moving so much better than he was a year ago.

    "The problem in the playoffs is that, eventually, execution matters. [The Rockets] play at one speed -- and they play great at that speed -- but at some point they're going to run into somebody who makes that a problem for them.

    "The one team that nobody wants to mess with in the playoffs is Memphis. They're the one team that can make every series a street fight and really play a nasty, physical game. Who else in the West can really say that?

    "But Memphis and Houston aren't all that different in this one sense: Can they run the table and go all the way? Like Houston, you have to say probably not.



    All things I have said recently in fact I have posted the same the past two days. One that Memphis is not a easy out and that the Rox though dangerous cannot win it all.

    since you love bets so much why dont you wager on it? I say no way in Rox could beat Spurs healthy OKC or MIA in a series. What stakes you want to place on it, DPG?


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    Just because some EC scout said something its a fact?

    Good points on Execution and Memphis , completely agree.

    Again, I don't know what you're arguing about. The rockets probably can't beat those teams but its not that they don't have a chance in . Thats what you reserve for lower seed matchups vs higher seed matchups. You completely eliminating the possibility is what is stupid. The odds are that LAC/OKC/SA will beat the rockets, but if the rockets win I won't be surprised and think its some sort of miracle. You are being irrational, treating HOU like an 8th seed team especially since they have proved they can beat any team when clicking on all cylinders. Will that happen ? That is the question. Don't forget that you all your LA buddies thought that Hou would be the 6th seed, and they have floated around 3 for the most part this 2nd half of the season. It was the same at ude then too.

    You reserve this type of stuff for the playoffs, you're being awfully y with your assumptions. Noticed how I haven't said anything? I'm going to wait and see, not roll the carpet out like you already have.

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    Just because some EC scout said something its a fact?

    Good points on Execution and Memphis , completely agree.

    Again, I don't know what you're arguing about. The rockets probably can't beat those teams but its not that they don't have a chance in . Thats what you reserve for lower seed matchups vs higher seed matchups. You completely eliminating the possibility is what is stupid. The odds are that LAC/OKC/SA will beat the rockets, but if the rockets win I won't be surprised and think its some sort of miracle. You are being irrational, treating HOU like an 8th seed team especially since they have proved they can beat any team when clicking on all cylinders. Will that happen ? That is the question.

    You reserve this type of stuff for the playoffs, you're being awfully y with your assumptions. Noticed how I haven't said anything? I'm going to wait and see, not roll the carpet out like you already have.
    There is what 18 games left? I said this 1st week nothing has changed for me really except Russ's injury and Indy was better than I thought.
    Call me Chuck. Im willing to say what I think If I am wrong you have the proof.
    I asked DPG to bet me if he thinks I am wrong. I hate Dwight don't deny it ... but I am basing this on what I see. Dwight may play well in a series and you will still lose to those teams I mentioned. Dwight has been twice as good to me as last year ...even if teh numbers don't show that. And no the EC scount isnt gospel he just confirmed what I was thinking/saying ...I did not even bother posting it until DPG made it sound like I'm crazy or blinded by hate. I love Harden. Still dont think he is franchise but he is damn close and may yet prove me wrong. Great game vs. Heat

    and I will back off on Indy I am not sold on them 100% either much like Houston. But willing to take a bet of SAS/OKC/MIA Healthy versus the ROx 3-0 record against SAS no worries for me ...

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    What's there to bet? I didn't say HOU would be the favorites. You seem to act like it will be a sweep or that Rox can't beat SA. I think SA would beat them, but I would not at all be shocked if HOU knocked them off.

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    KillaKobe81, you're not exactly helping your case by ommitting the fact that this was the best team in the NBA playing on their home court. If by the standards you proposed and are criticizing the rockets for losing the game, how can you hold that double standard against them in the west.

    I hope you're not a salty laker fan because you sound dumb as right now. You're stating what most people already predict, we will probably be favored against the rockets, and I predict we will win but it could go either way since the Rockets match up well. The rockets are sloppy, I think they can clean that up, but they are one of the top 5-6 teams in the NBA.

    Houston vs SA? SA in 7 is my prediction. Its still pretty bold considering that the last time we played them they didn't even have Harden and still beat us, and believe me Harden is a spur killer...

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    What's there to bet? I didn't say HOU would be the favorites. You seem to act like it will be a sweep or that Rox can't beat SA. I think SA would beat them, but I would not at all be shocked if HOU knocked them off.
    I'm still not clear as to how to bet on this either. Since Killa is SO confident about his scenario, the bet that makes sense is the team playing Houston (the ones he listed) winning in 5, maybe 6 games max. If it any series goes to a game 7, his point about there not being a chance in is blown out of the water.

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