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Obviously, you haven't seen the size of Beli's testicles. Here, allow him to show you:
Players with testicles the size of Neals don't grow on trees. Hard not to like those kind of players.
Disagree slightly in regards to defense. Marco at least acknowledges that defense is an important element to win a game and therefore hustles as best he can, despite being very limited in that area. That hustle has equated to some success at times (not enough but still) and he doesn't fall asleep on his man. He'll never be a defensive wizard but for what it's worth, he had a couple good contests against Wade last time when we beat the Heat.
Obviously, you haven't seen the size of Beli's testicles. Here, allow him to show you:
Players with testicles the size of Neals don't grow on trees. Hard not to like those kind of players.
Good take.
Another stat from the Express-News today:
Loving Beli, and as I've been saying all season long, Gino is the kind of guy that will resurrect a player's career like that. He slumped a bit while Manu was out, but he has quickly re-gained his form.
Beli, Mills and Diaw 2.0 have been phenomenal all season long, IMO.
He didn't even really slump tbh - those are still very solid shooting numbers. He's just amazing off the ball and Gino is a great passer. It's amazing how Beli shoots so well from the toughest spots on the floor though compared to the corner 3.
It's also worth noting that unlike Neal, Marco has been playing backup SF when he's out there with Mills and Manu.
He also knows how to finish around the basket too. That fake and layup against Birdman recently was extremely good.
Also, how is 42% FG "yellow" from the corner 3? Is that compared to league average or his own average for the season?
Could be weighed due to the corners being the shorter-easier shot. Not sure.
The graph comes from this story:
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...manu-ginobili/
but we all want Neal back
Lol, nice try, but Belinelli's current season is noticeably better than ANY season Neal has had in the NBA. So unless you're insinuating Neal has been injured for the entirety of his career, then no, injury is not the reason for any separation between the two.
And here are Synergy stats from this year:
Belinelli - gives up .86 points per possession overall, which is 169th in the league
Neal - gives up .9 points per possession overall, which is 247th in the league
I've given evidence for my case. Where is yours? Or do you just enjoy trolling and disagreeing with the popular opinion?
that's evidence only when the team is the same in the same year, otherwise it's just an empty stat. Evidence is saying that Belinelli is our worst defender for those who qualify (15mpg), comparing Neal's impact with milwakee and belinelli with the spurs is just some pointless fake ing with no meaning.
Belinelli is having a career year thanks in large part to the players that surround him. He's not even the same players when Ginobili's not on the floor. Belinelli isn't being asked to play backup PG. If you put a player in a position to fail, more often than not, he's going to. But while this hiccup sheds negative light onto Neal's resume, it's the FO and Pop's fault for trying to turn Neal into something he wasn't.
As far as career standings,
Gary Neal WS/48 (League Avg. .100)
2011 - .99
2012 - .101
2013 - .60 (injured- Plantar Faciitis)
2014 - .31 (injured- Plantar Faciitis)
Marco Belinelli
2008 - N/A
2009 - .28
2010 - .49
2011 - .84
2012 - .71
2013 - .76
2014 - .141
Until this year, Belinelli has been a below average player in the league. A five year sample size is too great to ignore. In fact, Ginobili better stick around another year just to make Belinelli look somewhat useful out there.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 03-18-2014 at 10:40 PM.
Do you even know how win shares are calculated? It favors guys who are on (surprise) teams who win a lot.
By your logic, Belinelli could've just been in a position to fail when he played for the Hornets and Bulls. The Bulls were horrible offensively last year...none of their players excelled. But place Belinelli in a more ideal situation, and look at what he's doing.
BTW, Neal has played with Ginobili too, and he didn't perform this way. The facts remain: Belinelli is playing better this season than Neal has ever played in his career. If you want to argue that's because of Neal being injured or not playing at his most ideal position, then go for it. Doesn't change the fact Belinelli is doing more for this team than Neal ever has.
Do you ever have anything at all positive to say about this team or it's players? I have not seen one post sides just negativity from you.
Marco's a little bit more better shooter than Neal this season. But what makes him much better in offense has been the way he has used cuts, screens, and played the pick & roll so effectively. He is much much more multi-dimensional than Neal.
Neal's defense was pathetic - unable to guard PGs as he was too slow and being short against SGs. Belinelli is a sieve himself, but he plays team defense a lick better and can also be a backup SF, which Neal surely wasn't.
I think both the players got their ideal landing spots. Neal got to be a shooting specialist for a mediocre but defense oriented team, while Belinelli's high IQ deserved a contender to find his niche.
Sure, I can lie. But I can't make up stats. Maybe you find it OK to slam former Spurs players or current one's as in Ginobili's case when a player has a bad year or is playing injured. I don't know about you, but I'm standing on my own two feet. Bashing Neal to make Belinelli look good is a form of negativity that 90% of this forum shares as a whole. So let's not take the negativity route just because I'm sticking up for a former and you're sticking up for the current. NOBODY was complaining about Neal his first two years in the league when he was making all his shots and was at least serviceable as a backup PG. Sorry if those numbers are hurting your eyes but the two players, when healthy are basically one in the same. I'll give Belinelli a slight edge in passing and a healthy Neal a slight edge on defense ( insert your shoeless Mike Miller joke here). I can't wait until you get a load of Mills trying to guard Jackson and Belinelli on Butler in the playoffs. That will be quite the sight.
I'll even take it one step further Sean. Not Parker, Not Duncan but Ginobili is the key to winning a 5th championship. Without his guidance, leadership and ability to lead the offense, the second unit isn't nearly as effective or cohesive.
I was never a huge Neal fan, he was a volume shooter and would shoot some very ill advised outside shots out of the flow of the game or just have some flat out horrible games! I can't remember him having a whole year as solid as Bellis yet this year! He was okay I guess and hit some big shots but overall I was not fan of his game! Belli is a better playmaker and passer as well, you even can admit that much. They are not one in the same! They are different players overall and like I said one can make plays and actually dribble while the other was a volume shooter and his game was very very limited! Neal a slight edge on Defense? Neal DEFENSE in the same line? No I am sorry just NO! He was a horrible defender at any end of the spectrum and even Belli is better at D than he was.
Butler? I doubt Neal could even guard him but he shoots threes out there mostly from what I saw this year. Butler is a decent role player but Neal was not going to guard him or Jackson anyways was he? If so he could not guard them at all so what is the difference between him and Belli? You act like he provided any D at all. I will not throw Mike Miller Joke in there but I will throw the joke in there where he allowed that BANK three at the end of the third to put them up one when the Spurs were up 2 and had some momentum in the game, he lets him walk right up and bank that three to put them up and swing the game (Typical Neal). I also will say he played like in the game 6 and 7 IN MIAMI along with that bad D, period.ALL THREE BEING healthy and some luck and role players stepping up is the key to a 5th le, period.
I never said Neal's defense was good. Don't put words in my mouth. Every categorical statistic will show that Neal has a slight edge on Belenelli defensively over the course of his career. Just the idea that you can use words like defense and Belinelli in the same sentence is enough to make a person laugh. Neal is less of a high volume shooter than Mills is and I don't recall hearing too many complaints when that so-called high volume shooter had a FG% of 42% from three and roughly 44% from two point range. Not too shabby for a high volume chucker. As far as Belenelli is concerned, I've seen him take quite a few ill-advised shots but apparently when they go in, nobody cares. Welcome to Neal's first two seasons. Just curious, have you seen Belenelli's numbers with Ginobili off the court? It's worth taking a look. Also, Belenelli is a better cutter than he is a playmaker.
Ginobili has always been the key to the Spurs success. It pretty much goes without saying Duncan and Parker are just as important. They, however don't have to lead the second unit. Without him, you don't have great ball movement, you have a bunch of jump shooters shooting three's trying to take the game over. Many of those shots errant, lead to fast breaks going in the other direction. Maybe you're just not paying close enough attention. Ginobili is the glue that holds that second unit together.
Gary Chucker's defensive rating is 114 this season, which is flat out horrible especially when considering he plays in the leastern conference. Marco's d rating is 106 against much better compe ion. If you look at win shares, Chucker's best numbers were in his rookie year by far at 3.5. How about Marco? 4.8 win share this season. You can't win this argument.
Wrong about the d again. Marco has better numbers in steals, blocks, charges drawn. In what bizzaro world are you finding numbers showing neal isn't worse defensively than Marco?)
Oh, I see what you're doing now, you're bringing up ''course of his career'' rationale to prove your point about gary while ignoring the fact that Marco has gotten better each of the last three years on d while gary is at his worst right now.
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