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    Much ado about nothing dude is a good writer has his biases no need to get upset over a ty TV analyst ...

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    Robertson =/= David Robinson
    My bad raid.

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    Much ado about nothing dude is a good writer has his biases no need to get upset over a ty TV analyst ...
    Exactly. Boston homer through and through but he's a great writer. My favorite writers were Jack Mccullam and David Halbestein.

    We had this Spurs beat writer (I forgot his name) who used to write for the express news. Yahoo snatched him away and we haven't seen him since then.

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    Good post, but, come on man, Bill Russell? Not to disrespect him, but he would get totally exposed in today's NBA. I'd put the likes of Duncan, Robinson, Shaq, Jabbar, and Olajuwon as far as big men are concerned ahead of Wilt.


    Yeah, he's completely unathletic and couldn't handle today's bigs. lol

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    People really have to see Wilt and Russell during their peak, it's a shame that there weren't more archived games from that era.

    Sure, the average player in today's game is likely more athletic, or even more skilled, than players in those era, but the cream of the crop were plenty athletic back then and now.

    Just look at it this way, Russell and Wilt battled it out, Wilt even held his own during the later part of his career against a young Kareem, and an old Kareem was all-star level all the way to the late 80s, in the age of Ewing and Olajuwon, and Olajuwon battled a young Shaq and often had an upper hand.

    Going by that chain of logic, Russell and Wilt would still be effective in today's game. They will probably not average 50 ppg and 25rpg because the game has slowed down, with more sophisticated offensive and defensive schemes, but Russell will still be a 15rpg/3 or 4 block/ 4 or 5 assist guy. He'd be like a Joakim Noah + prime Wallace on steroids kind of guy, someone who you can anchor your entire defense around while directing traffic on offense. Wilt will probably still be a 30/15/3 guy (Shaq level), or at least a 25/12/3 guy. That is of course, factoring in today's training and fitness regimen.

    Of course, pure speculation, but from what I saw, their games will still be effective, if not dominant, in today's NBA.

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    Bill is still mighty flat eared over '10. He had to sit there in Staples and take that. He was banking on a new front for his Celtics, a new domination of the old.

    Uh, uh.
    How on Earth can you of all people say that when all that matters is ring count. By that logic, that's just the Celtics les > Lakers les talking.

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    How on Earth can you of all people say that when all that matters is ring count. By that logic, that's just the Celtics les > Lakers les talking.
    It is Celts>Lakers tough to argue otherwise.
    But during my lifetime and (most of Bill's) Lakers have won more les.
    Sure I claim all 16 but the ones I did not "See" hold less value. Lakers have been >Celts in his lifetime and that must suck ...

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    That's bending the narrative to fit your reality. Thread has made it abundantly clear that total ring count is what matters. When comparing Celtics to Lakers and who's salty, the only thing boiled down is

    Celtics>Lakers.

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    Why the is Chimpman Wilt Chamberlain at # 6? er played against 6'9 white boys in his prime.
    With how small the league was, he played guys like Bill Russell all the time. He was playing HOF big men almost every night.

    Lol @ repeating what you've read in YouTube comments

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    Wow, even DPG is sacrificing workplace productivity to reach for low hanging fruit. That means somebody's investments/savings are just twisting in the wind right now

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    That's bending the narrative to fit your reality. Thread has made it abundantly clear that total ring count is what matters. When comparing Celtics to Lakers and who's salty, the only thing boiled down is

    Celtics>Lakers.
    This is true, but the Lakers were right there.... they had it and gave it back. Then to add insult to injury, 9 or 10 of those Celtic les belong to the Lakers, but the Lakers were feeling generous.

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    ppl calling Robertson a stat padder as if they watched him play
    ya. lotsa 17 year old 1960s B-Ball experts around here

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    Cool, so you do value the fact he ranked Kobe # 8 on the All time list?

    Above Shaq and Olajuwon?


    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s_pyramid.html
    I said I value his opinion more than yours, I didn't say I value his opinion very high, tbh.

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    That's bending the narrative to fit your reality. Thread has made it abundantly clear that total ring count is what matters. When comparing Celtics to Lakers and who's salty, the only thing boiled down is

    Celtics>Lakers.
    Why would he be butthurt when Boston has 6 more les than LA? The parrot has been getting his own stickh pushed in by CN lately.

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    Wow, even DPG is sacrificing workplace productivity to reach for low hanging fruit. That means somebody's investments/savings are just twisting in the wind right now
    I think Dale has kind of touched a nerve for DPG to go for the kill. Dale is down and i don't know if he'll last another week considering Capri's & Luva's absence.

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    This is true, but the Lakers were right there.... they had it and gave it back. Then to add insult to injury, 9 or 10 of those Celtic les belong to the Lakers, but the Lakers were feeling generous.
    Surely you're not DMC right?

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    1. MJ
    2. Russell
    3. Magic
    4. Bird
    5. Kareem
    6. Kobe
    7. Shaq
    8. West
    9. Oscar
    10. Duncan
    11. Mikan
    12. Wilt
    13. Hakeem
    14. Lebron
    15. Pet /Baylor/Dr J/Moses

    tbh
    Tired Old Quitbag ranked over Shaq, West, Oscar, Duncan, Mikan, Wilt, Hakeem, LeBron, Pet , Baylor, Dr. J and Moses

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    How on Earth can you of all people say that when all that matters is ring count. By that logic, that's just the Celtics les > Lakers les talking.
    Weird, isn't it? You need to talk to Bill, not me.

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    Chamberlain averaged 35 points and 26 rebounds in the playoffs with Philadelphia. He won a championship there with the only team of the era to beat the Celtics.

    How many did West win in that time period? None. It wasn't until proven champion Chamberlain was brought in that he was able to hoist the trophy.
    Chamberlain WILTED come playoff time. Every year his scoring went down in the playoffs, literally every year. 50 ppg season? Averaged only 35 in the playoffs. His teams didn't win a ring until he wasn't the guy taking the most shots on the team.

    West may not have won but he at least played well. And that you for bringing up Wilt joining the Lakers.

    1969 NBA Finals
    West - 37.9 ppg
    wilt - 11.7 ppg (20.5 ppg in the regular season) a -8.8 ppg drop which is the 2nd largest ppg drop off from regular season to finals ppg to Lebron's -8.9 in 2011.

    Wilt's coach when given the info that Wilt could return late in Game 7 - "We don't need him" lol

    Give me West if I'm looking to win championships, not choke them away.

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    So why would Kobe be on the list? 25% shooting in Game 7 a mark of dominance for you?
    Since you want to cherrypick...Kobe's mark of dominance came during the 01 WCF to the tune of 33.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.5 apg, 0.8 bpg, 51.4%fg, 35.7%3p, 57.1%ts which his team swept and gave the opposition the largest average series loss margin in conference finals history.

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    There's a reason why he was called Mr. Clutch.
    For winning a lone le in a weak era?

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    ing Mikan at 11 is count to potato stupid when he was basically Kurt Rambis.

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    Since you want to cherrypick...Kobe's mark of dominance came during the 01 WCF to the tune of 33.3 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.5 apg, 0.8 bpg, 51.4%fg, 35.7%3p, 57.1%ts which his team swept and gave the opposition the largest average series loss margin in conference finals history.
    LOL, his best series (one btw, not like West where he performed well throughout his entire playoff career) came as a 2nd banana while being guarded by a team with the entire defense focused on Shaq. To give an example of how much the Spurs were focusing on Shaq:

    Derek Fisher averaged 17.5 ppg on 61.4% FG shooting when he was averaging 11.5ppg that season, and only had a 13.3 ppg career high.

    BTW, since you love to quote West's Finals stats, care to quote Kobe's?

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    Wow, even DPG is sacrificing workplace productivity to reach for low hanging fruit. That means somebody's investments/savings are just twisting in the wind right now
    DD with the goods

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    LOL, his best series (one btw, not like West where he performed well throughout his entire playoff career) came as a 2nd banana while being guarded by a team with the entire defense focused on Shaq. To give an example of how much the Spurs were focusing on Shaq:

    Derek Fisher averaged 17.5 ppg on 61.4% FG shooting when he was averaging 11.5ppg that season, and only had a 13.3 ppg career high.

    BTW, since you love to quote West's Finals stats, care to quote Kobe's?
    Kobe's best series was probably the 2010 WCF: 34-7-8 on 52/43/88

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