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    How can you not have Shaq in your Top 10 and put Big O in it?
    srs? he averaged a triple double for like 5 years

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    ing Mikan at 11 is count to potato stupid when he was basically Kurt Rambis.
    5 les. There were no MVPs or FMVPs in his prime though unless he would have 5 FMVPs and at least multiple MVPs, and he was a 2x scoring champ.

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    5 les. There were no MVPs or FMVPs in his prime though unless he would have 5 FMVPs and at least multiple MVPs, and he was a 2x scoring champ.
    You should put Kurt Rambis 10 or 12.

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    For winning a lone le in a weak era?
    Highest Finals series PPG
    Michael Jordan, 1993 Finals - 41.0
    Rick Barry, 1967 Finals - 40.8
    Elgin Baylor, 1962 Finals - 40.6
    Shaquille O'Neal, 2000 Finals - 38.0
    Jerry West, 1969 Finals - 37.9
    Shaquille O'Neal, 2002 Finals - 36.3
    Michael Jordan, 1992 Finals - 35.8
    Allen Iverson, 2001 Finals - 35.6
    Dwyane Wade, 2006 Finals - 34.7
    Jerry West, 1966 Finals - 33.9
    Elgin Baylor, 1963 Finals - 33.8
    Jerry West, 1965 Finals - 33.8
    Michael Jordan, 1998 Finals - 33.5
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 1980 Finals - 33.4
    Shaquille O'Neal, 2001 Finals - 33.0
    Hakeem Olajuwon, 1995 Finals - 32.8
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 1974 Finals - 32.6
    Kobe Bryant, 2009 Finals - 32.4
    Michael Jordan, 1997 Finals - 32.3
    George Mikan, 1950 Finals - 32.2
    Jerry West, 1968 Finals - 31.3
    Jerry West, 1970 Finals - 31.3

    Michael Jordan, 1991 Finals - 31.2
    Jerry West, 1962 Finals - 31.1
    Kevin Durant, 2012 Finals - 30.6
    Julius Erving, 1977 Finals - 30.3
    Bob Pet , 1957 Finals - 30.1
    30 point games (Playoffs)
    Michael Jordan -- 109
    Kobe Bryant -- 88
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 75
    Jerry West -- 74
    Lebron James -- 61
    Elgin Baylor -- 60
    Shaquille O'Neal -- 55
    Karl Malone -- 54
    Hakeem Olajuwon -- 53
    Rick Barry -- 48
    Dirk Nowitzki -- 45
    Larry Bird -- 43
    Wilt Chamberlain -- 42
    Allen Iverson -- 36
    Tim Duncan -- 36
    Bob Pet -- 33
    George Gervin -- 32
    Dwyane Wade -- 32
    John Havlicek -- 30
    Reggie Miller -- 29
    Charles Barkley - 28
    Rick Barry -- 27
    George Gervin -- 26
    Oscar Robertson -- 23
    40 point games (Playoffs)
    Michael Jordan -- 38
    Jerry West -- 20
    Elgin Baylor -- 14
    Kobe Bryant -- 13
    Wilt Chamberlain -- 13
    Shaquille O'Neal -- 12
    Hakeem Olajuwon -- 11
    Lebron James -- 11
    Allen Iverson -- 10
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 9
    Rick Barry -- 8
    Bernard King -- 7
    Dirk Nowitzki -- 7
    Dwyane Wade -- 7
    George Gervin -- 6
    Charles Barkley -- 5
    Larry Bird -- 5
    John Havlicek -- 5
    Bob McAdoo -- 5
    Bob Pet -- 5
    Dominique Wilkins -- 5
    50 point games (Playoffs)
    Michael Jordan -- 8
    Wilt Chamberlain -- 4
    Allen Iverson -- 3
    Jerry West -- 2
    Elgin Baylor -- 1
    Charles Barkley -- 1
    Rick Barry -- 1
    John Havlicek -- 1
    Sam Jones -- 1
    Eric Floyd -- 1
    Ray Allen -- 1
    Bob Pet -- 1
    Billy Cunningham -- 1
    Bob McAdoo -- 1
    Dominique Wilkins -- 1
    Karl Malone -- 1
    Vince Carter -- 1
    Dirk Nowitzki -- 1
    Kobe Bryant -- 1
    Bob Cousy -- 1
    30 point games (Finals)
    Jerry West -- 31
    Michael Jordan -- 23
    Elgin Baylor -- 19
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 16
    Shaquille O'Neal -- 16
    Bob Pet -- 14
    Kobe Bryant -- 13
    Rick Barry -- 8
    Hakeem Olajuwon -- 8
    John Havlicek -- 8
    Sam Jones -- 8
    George Mikan -- 7
    Dwyane Wade -- 7
    Larry Bird -- 5
    Julius Erving -- 5
    James Worthy -- 5
    Tom Heinsohn -- 5
    Cliff Hagan -- 5
    Lebron James -- 5
    Wilt Chamberlain -- 4
    Allen Iverson -- 4
    Clyde Drexler -- 4
    Tim Duncan -- 4
    40 point games (Finals)
    Jerry West -- 10
    Michael Jordan -- 6
    Shaquille O'Neal -- 5
    Elgin Baylor -- 5
    Rick Barry -- 3
    George Mikan -- 2
    Dwyane Wade -- 2
    Bob Pet -- 2
    John Havlicek -- 2
    Allen Iverson -- 1
    Wilt Chamberlain -- 1
    Isiah Thomas -- 1
    Magic Johnson -- 1
    Charles Barkley -- 1
    Russell Westbrook -- 1
    Kobe Bryant -- 1
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 1
    Cliff Hagan -- 1
    James Worthy -- 1
    Julius Erving -- 1
    50 point games (Finals)
    Elgin Baylor -- 1
    Rick Barry -- 1
    Michael Jordan -- 1
    Jerry West -- 1
    Bob Pet -- 1
    Career Playoff PPG
    1. Michael Jordan* 33.45
    2. Allen Iverson 29.73
    3. Jerry West* 29.13
    4. Kevin Durant 28.63
    5. LeBron James 28.05
    6. Elgin Baylor* 27.04
    7. George Gervin* 26.98
    8. Dirk Nowitzki 25.95
    9. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.90
    10. Carmelo Anthony 25.65
    11. Kobe Bryant 25.64
    12. Bob Pet * 25.45
    13. Dominique Wilkins* 25.41
    14. Rick Barry* 24.77
    15. Karl Malone* 24.67
    Career Finals PPG (Min. 10 games)
    1. Rick Barry - 36.3
    2. Michael Jordan - 33.6
    3. Jerry West - 30.5
    4. Shaquille O'Neal - 28.8
    5. Bob Pet - 28.4
    6. Hakeem Olajuwon - 28.0
    7. Elgin Baylor - 26.4
    8. Dwyane Wade - 25.7
    9. Julius Erving - 25.5
    10. Kobe Bryant - 25.3
    11. Joe Fulks - 24.7
    12. Clyde Drexler - 24.5
    13. Dirk Nowitzki - 24.4
    14. George Mikan - 23.9
    15. Moses Malone - 23.6

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    You should put Kurt Rambis 10 or 12.
    Was Rambis the greatest player of his era?

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    If that was LeBron or Duncan with all those playoff stats but only one ring, you and the rest of the Kirby s would be ting on them

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    If that was LeBron or Duncan with all those playoff stats but only one ring, you and the rest of the Kirby s would be ting on them
    I'm defending him here though because he actually played dominant in losses unlike Bran in '07 or '11.

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    Hakeem has no case over the guys I listed maybe except for Mikan because of the era.

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    Was Rambis the greatest player of his era?
    How many scoring les and championships do you think Zydrunas Ilgauskas would have won in Mikan's era?

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    I'm defending him here though because he actually played dominant in losses unlike Bran in '07 or '11.
    What about kobe in his playoff losses in 98, 99, 03, 04, 06, 08, 11, 12? didn't he go out like a scrub in a few of tho's?

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    What about kobe in his playoff losses in 98, 99, 03, 04, 06, 08, 11, 12? didn't he go out like a scrub in a few of tho's?
    Yeah but he has 5 rings though.

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    I'm defending him here though because he actually played dominant in losses unlike Bran in '07 or '11.
    No, Kobe's stats in elimination games and in the finals are flat out embarrassing.

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    Yeah but he has 5 rings though.
    Steve Kerr too

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    Kobe is a lock.

    For the 11th best player of all-time as things stand. James has already removed him from the top 10, tbh.

    1. Jordan
    2. Kareem
    3. Wilt
    4. Bird
    5. Magic
    6. Duncan (moves up to 5 with a ring this year)
    7. Russell
    8. James (moves up to 3 or 4 with a ring this year)
    9. Big O
    10. Hakeem
    solid list.

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    Chamberlain WILTED come playoff time. Every year his scoring went down in the playoffs, literally every year. 50 ppg season? Averaged only 35 in the playoffs. His teams didn't win a ring until he wasn't the guy taking the most shots on the team.

    West may not have won but he at least played well. And that you for bringing up Wilt joining the Lakers.

    1969 NBA Finals
    West - 37.9 ppg
    wilt - 11.7 ppg (20.5 ppg in the regular season) a -8.8 ppg drop which is the 2nd largest ppg drop off from regular season to finals ppg to Lebron's -8.9 in 2011.

    Wilt's coach when given the info that Wilt could return late in Game 7 - "We don't need him" lol

    Give me West if I'm looking to win championships, not choke them away.
    This is stupid. Chamberlain led the 76ers in scoring in 67 for his first le. Lakers lost to the Celtics in 69 and Chamberlain was hurt



    You're sotrting stats and cherrypicking how cute. West played like in the playoffs for the 71 championship and anyone who watched that year knows it was Chamberlains work against Alcindor in the WCF that was the lynchpin.

    Chamberlain gets hurt and West once again shows his beta. West was shooting 45% and volume scoring doesn't get it done. 'Wilt's coach' Van Der Berk got canned. It is what it is.

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    This is stupid. Chamberlain led the 76ers in scoring in 67. Lakers lost to the Celtics in 69 and Chamberlain was hurt



    You're sotrting stats and cherrypicking how cute.

    Chamberlain gets hurt and West once again shows his beta. West was shooting 45% and volume scoring doesn't get it done. 'Wilt's coach' Van Der Berk got canned. It is what it is.
    Not in the playoffs, he was the third leading scorer.

    West shot 49.0%FG and 83.9%FT for the series which is as efficient as you can get. And he averaged 37.9 ppg and 7.4 apg lmao what more can he do.

    Wilt shot 37.5% from the line. He was not that efficient as you think. His playoff career TS% is a measly 52.4% because he only shot 46.5% from the line.

    BTW the Lakers went on a 8-0 run right after Wilt left. West finished with 42/13/12 on 14-29 fg, 14-18 ft.

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    Fuzzy getting bodied

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    Not in the playoffs, he was the third leading scorer.

    West shot 49.0%FG and 83.9%FT for the series which is as efficient as you can get. And he averaged 37.9 ppg and 7.4 apg lmao what more can he do.

    Wilt shot 37.5% from the line. He was not that efficient as you think. His playoff career TS% is a measly 52.4% because he only shot 46.5% from the line.

    BTW the Lakers went on a 8-0 run right after Wilt left. West finished with 42/13/12 on 14-29 fg, 14-18 ft.
    Chamberlain was an awful FT shooter bravo for your insight. . . In other news West was a mediocre rebounder and man defender.

    BTW the Lakers lost after Wilt hurt his knee. VDB got fired but by all means grandstand on 6 possessions. Wilt was the greatest defensive presence in NBA history.

    Further, you fixation on finals is unfounded. West made it to the finals and lost to the Celtics a lot. I am not a fan of the term but crowing about stats in losing efforts is the epitome of stat padding. 42/13/12 doesn't mean quite so much when you are losing over 60% of the time.

    Baylor was there for the majority of his career. West never had to carry a team nor did he suffer the constant double and triple teams. They still couldn't win. It was Chamberlain and Greer that finally beat those Celtics teams over 5 games in 1967.

    One thing that strikes me is your ignorance tot he evolution of Chamberlain's game. Early on in his career he would plow into the face of those double and triple teams. He shot a poor percentage around 50% but dominated the offensive boards and went to the stripe 15+ times a game.

    He was getting to 7 games with the Celtics but they lost like 3 years in a row. He grew frustrated and evolved his game. By 1967, his apg was up to 8. 8 assists for a C is unbelievable, he stepped it up to 9 apg those playoffs. He shot 68% from the field. Truly masterful.

    Keep on fellating the white boy and his losing efforts.

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    I am sure if you ask him nicely he will say yes. You don't need to go through all of this. It's embarrassing.

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    For people to come up with their own objective thoughts on Chamberlain's game I present:



    It's a montage of 335 baskets made by Chamberlain. They are divided into dunks, left block, right block etc. You can see the gambit of post moves Wilt had. Keep in mind that it's Jabbar, Russell, Unseld, Reed, Lucas, etc that are getting help on those double and triple teams. It was not the sea of 6'8'" whitey.

    Compare that to what you see from guys like Dwert, Gasol, or Duncan.

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    Chamberlain was an awful FT shooter bravo for your insight. . . In other news West was a mediocre rebounder and man defender.

    BTW the Lakers lost after Wilt hurt his knee. VDB got fired but by all means grandstand on 6 possessions. Wilt was the greatest defensive presence in NBA history.

    Further, you fixation on finals is unfounded. West made it to the finals and lost to the Celtics a lot. I am not a fan of the term but crowing about stats in losing efforts is the epitome of stat padding. 42/13/12 doesn't mean quite so much when you are losing over 60% of the time.

    Baylor was there for the majority of his career. West never had to carry a team nor did he suffer the constant double and triple teams. They still couldn't win. It was Chamberlain and Greer that finally beat those Celtics teams over 5 games in 1967.

    One thing that strikes me is your ignorance tot he evolution of Chamberlain's game. Early on in his career he would plow into the face of those double and triple teams. He shot a poor percentage around 50% but dominated the offensive boards and went to the stripe 15+ times a game.

    He was getting to 7 games with the Celtics but they lost like 3 years in a row. He grew frustrated and evolved his game. By 1967, his apg was up to 8. 8 assists for a C is unbelievable, he stepped it up to 9 apg those playoffs. He shot 68% from the field. Truly masterful.

    Keep on fellating the white boy and his losing efforts.
    West was regarded as one of the best perimeter defenders ever so I dont know where you got the poor man defender thing.

    How is it statpadding if its a)the NBA Finals b)vs the best team of the entire decade Boston c)Games where close d)Series went to 7 games meaning his team won 3 games, and West played in a 7th game in the Finals 3 times.

    Wilt's stats would dip down come playoff time and he was capable of doing more, I mean he was averaging something like 40 ppg in the regular season. Actually 39.9 ppg to be exact in his scoring prime up until '66, but what did he average in the playoffs during this time? 32.3 ppg, a -7.6 ppg drop.

    I want the player that was known as "Mr Clutch" in the playoffs please.

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    No, Kobe's stats in the finals are flat out embarrassing.
    And Lebron fared better?

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    West was regarded as one of the best perimeter defenders ever so I dont know where you got the poor man defender thing.

    How is it statpadding if its a)the NBA Finals b)vs the best team of the entire decade Boston c)Games where close d)Series went to 7 games meaning his team won 3 games, and West played in a 7th game in the Finals 3 times.

    Wilt's stats would dip down come playoff time and he was capable of doing more, I mean he was averaging something like 40 ppg in the regular season. Actually 39.9 ppg to be exact in his scoring prime up until '66, but what did he average in the playoffs during this time? 32.3 ppg, a -7.6 ppg drop.

    I want the player that was known as "Mr Clutch" in the playoffs please.
    West was a heady ball player that understood what teams were trying to do so he was good at help and deflections. Tremendous jump shooter. I said man defender intentionally as he was not very athletic and could be abused.

    West went to the Finals 9 times and lost 8 times. He went 20-33. That is 36%. He managed to win 3 games twice and that was it outside of beating the Knicks 4-1. It was not close. He never beat the Celtics as did the 76ers. Now you are just making up to go with the stat padding.

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