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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2

    Laziness, large families, leading to poverty, is a cultural phenomena.

    Poverty in and of itself is no excuse... hmmmm.

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    Without reading the article... Yes! Ethics are passed down and molded by family and community, therefore, yes.

    Now I will read the article.

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    Will appears to dismiss the culture of racism. Seems a bit shortsighted.

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    Will appears to dismiss the culture of racism. Seems a bit shortsighted.
    Conservatives deny American racism (against African-Americans, Mestizo-Americans) to hide their exercise of racism (Repug budgetary austerity is nothing but racism, even if Ms of poor whites also get pushed further into financial distress), in preference for their own Euro-American white supremacy.

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    Funny..not this conservative.

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    Also take issue with the familial breakdown being the sole providence of the poverty class.

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    He is correct in that poverty is a symptom rather than a cause tho.

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    Without reading the article... Yes! Ethics are passed down and molded by family and community, therefore, yes.

    Now I will read the article.
    lol..."It says what I want it to say so I'll read it."

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    Without reading the article... Yes! Ethics are passed down and molded by family and community, therefore, yes.

    Now I will read the article.
    So the ethics of black and Hispanic families/community is one of laziness and failure and therefore it persists generation to generation?

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    So the ethics of black and Hispanic families/community is one of laziness and failure and therefore it persists generation to generation?
    not necessarily laziness, but poor people see themselves, their family, friends, and the equally poor in the contacts that sorta hypnotizes them to lowered expections of what they can, should expect for themselves.

    perform badly in school, drop out of high school? even just get through voc school or drop out? manual labor? low wage job? teen/unmarried pregnancy? drink, eat badly, too much? everybody's fat? nobody went to college? see people busted, arrested in jail, ex-cons, everybody on welfare? so many examples, the subliminal messages add up to "this is how it is".

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    not necessarily laziness, but poor people see themselves, their family, friends, and the equally poor in the contacts that sorta hypnotizes them to lowered expections of what they can, should expect for themselves.

    perform badly in school, drop out of high school? even just get through voc school or drop out? manual labor? low wage job? teen/unmarried pregnancy? drink, eat badly, too much? everybody's fat? nobody went to college? see people busted, arrested in jail, ex-cons, everybody on welfare? so many examples, the subliminal messages add up to "this is how it is".
    Uhhh, there are poor white people.

    Again.

    So culture specifically of black and Hispanic people is one that contributes to lower expectations?

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    I think bou was speaking in generalities....if there are minorities as a subset, they should pretty much exhibit the characteristcs of the set in whole.

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    He is correct in that poverty is a symptom rather than a cause tho.
    So it's not poverty that leads to low expectations, etc, in all ethnic groups.
    It's low expectations etc, that lead to poverty... But low expectations are most commonly found in poor folks who have never benefitted from a position of wealth gained through high expectations with hard work, etc...There is a disconnect in seeing the results. I think Boots would agree given the Walmart rants and min. wage discussions.

    Especially now.

    And I have an opinion that poor folks who work hard are still less likely to see results than rich folks that are lazy but born wealthy. So the wealthiest rarely experience the poverty felt by the poorest imo. They were born into the right monetary situation, not necessarily Daddy's hard work and innovation rubbing off, because Daddy did the same from his pappy. If poor, these folks could easily be a big burden on a society.

    And my data is anecdotal. I do charity tutoring with school districts when not working. And I know grown up rich kids that are lazier than their parents and imo, stupid as well.

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    I'm calling BS on that article, tbh... The US divorce rate is #1 in the world, includes a lot of whites, yet the US is one of the richest, if not the richest country in the world. The "let's blame the family structure or lack of" is an old and ty argument, IMO.

    The only thing that family structure helps tremendously is in the passing of wealth, which opens many more doors and possibilities of success than those of non-wealthy families (and there's always exceptions, but that's largely the rule).

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    There's lazy people everywhere, BTW...

    but there's also a lot of hard working people that just have a incredibly tough time to make ends meet, and certainly fit in the definition of poverty, including among others, service members. To suggest it's a "cultural problem" or "family structure" problem with them, it's just punting the ball, a distraction and frankly insulting.

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    There's lazy people everywhere, BTW...

    but there's also a lot of hard working people that just have a incredibly tough time to make ends meet, and certainly fit in the definition of poverty, including among others, service members. To suggest it's a "cultural problem" or "family structure" problem with them, it's just punting the ball, a distraction and frankly insulting.
    It is George Will.

    You would not be the first to think his opinions are BS.

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    So culture specifically of black and Hispanic people is one that contributes to lower expectations?
    culture of the poor any color contributes, probably significanly, to sustaining poverty. Then add in how income inequality that last 35 years has pretty much killed social/financial mobility.

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    culture of the poor any color contributes, probably significanly, to sustaining poverty. Then add in how income inequality that last 35 years has pretty much killed social/financial mobility.
    So since there is a much larger % black and Hispanic poor people in the US, and it continues to exist, you would explain this how?

    You see George Will would say its endemic to their culture. That's how I take his opinion. In fact many conservatives would say the maintenance of the welfare system fosters this.

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    the destruction of social mobility in USA make poverty endemic to all the poor

    Will and all over racist conservatives

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    So since there is a much larger % black and Hispanic poor people in the US, and it continues to exist, you would explain this how?

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    So again to the point...

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    So again to the point...
    the are more white poor than black, or brown. Repugs screw their poor, rural whites every time they screw blacks, browns.

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    the are more white poor than black, or brown. Repugs screw their poor, rural whites every time they screw blacks, browns.
    Percentage

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    i think it's pretty clear there are more white people in the US.

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    So the ethics of black and Hispanic families/community is one of laziness and failure and therefore it persists generation to generation?
    There appears to be solid evidence of that, but more so for blacks than Hispanics. This is statistical generalities however. it applies to all races, as it is how someone is raised by their parents and community rather than he color of skin. More blacks start at a disadvantage than others because of the community they are raised in.

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    So it's not poverty that leads to low expectations, etc, in all ethnic groups.
    It's low expectations etc, that lead to poverty... But low expectations are most commonly found in poor folks who have never benefitted from a position of wealth gained through high expectations with hard work, etc...There is a disconnect in seeing the results. I think Boots would agree given the Walmart rants and min. wage discussions.
    I think this is one of the largest factors. The expectations that one grows up with.

    And I have an opinion that poor folks who work hard are still less likely to see results than rich folks that are lazy but born wealthy. So the wealthiest rarely experience the poverty felt by the poorest imo. They were born into the right monetary situation, not necessarily Daddy's hard work and innovation rubbing off, because Daddy did the same from his pappy. If poor, these folks could easily be a big burden on a society.
    Also, who you know. Someone growing up wealthy will have a different set of personal connections to network job search with than someone growing up in the ghetto.

    And my data is anecdotal. I do charity tutoring with school districts when not working. And I know grown up rich kids that are lazier than their parents and imo, stupid as well.
    They may be lazier, but what are the expectations placed upon them by their parents and peers for the future?

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