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    If he doesn't show anything in practice or garbage minutes then Pop won't give him any minutes this year and he'll have to wait for summer league to show his talents.

    So this may be a moot topic for a few months.
    Well, we can't really know too much about what goes on in practice, unless Ace3g can give us some insight. However, with the time he's gotten, he couldn't have done much better. That's why everyone is running out their per 36 jokes on his 3 minute sample. He's filled up the stat sheet. Well...if you extrapolate it to 36 minutes he has!
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    Well, we can't really know too much about what goes on in practice, unless Ace3g can give us some insight. However, with the time he's gotten, he couldn't have done much better. That's why everyone is running out there per 36 jokes on his 3 minute sample. He's filled up the stat sheet. Well...if you extrapolate it to 36 minutes he has!
    Has Daye missed a shot from the 3 point line as a Spur? He's definitely going to get those open looks, and just looking at his past stats in Detroit, he's going to do very well with the spurs.

    Channing Frye as 6'11 with the Suns destroyed the Spurs a couple of seasons back by hanging around in the 3 point area. Daye could do the same kind of damage against oposing teams. Unlike Bonner with a slow and low release, Daye needs to be covered much tighter. He's also got very good handles for a guy his size. The Spurs are going to figure out how to make the best use of his skills!

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    Daye didn't exactly compare himself to Green in the way that you imply. He didn't bust out his and Danny's Per 36 numbers. He said that Danny wasn't getting playing time, now he is. That's it. He isn't exactly being pollyannaish. He is saying that in San Antonio, players that had not been able to get playing time elsewhere had been able to work their way into a supporting role. Nothing wrong with that, and a huge stretch to imply he introduced some sort of productivity argument between him and Danny. As per usual, someone makes a fairly innocuous statement, is lambasted for it.

    However since YOU introduced the topic, I have a big issue with your false premise.

    The cornerstone of your argument is that Danny has been consistent his whole career, even in Cleveland!

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../dayeau01.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...greenda02.html

    From 3 Danny shot .273 for the Cavaliers, .368 first year with the Spurs, and maxed out at .436 his second year with the Spurs. He has trailed off slightly since then, but he SUCKED with Cleveland. Guess what, after 4 straight years with a steady system, he has flourished...but that is sort of the opposite of consistency. Now, we can move the goal-posts in your argument and say that he steadily IMPROVED...except that he has not...he has slightly regressed, so even his IMPROVEMENT is not consistent. I'll forgive that as it has been somewhat minimal...and he's been great for us. Not trying to pick on DG.

    Daye on the other hand shot 30% in his first year. Higher than Green in his first year. 40% in his second year. Higher than Green in his second year (even though Green was on a much better team). That is when Daye's percentage goes to ...in his third year...the turmoil and mutiny in Detroit probably corresponds, somewhat, to that time-frame...then the shuffling from team to team...what happened...can it be fixed...I don't know.

    However, if anything...those first two years show a higher ceiling and/or a similar growth to Danny. It is very difficult to know what Daye would have done if he had played here for four years. We are comparing apples to oranges. But, a claim that Danny showed a consistency that Daye lacks is erroneous.

    They don't play the same position, so some things aren't fair to compare, or difficult. Daye's rebounding numbers are better, despite claims he is too frail to rebound, but he is TALLER, and plays a different position, sort of, so people will argue he should rebound better, of course. 2/3 vs. 3/4, I guess we compare. Etc. Etc. But, one thing that can be compared pretty fairly right across the board is his 3 point shooting percentage, and on raw numbers, I would say he has at least Danny's ability if not more.

    I LIKED that he screamed into his pillow (he is happy to be here...(who wants a sad-sack like De Colo)), I am happy that his former teammates liked him and had confidence in him on the court (even if others think his teammates suck, I find it strange to list "good rapport with teammates" as a negative), 15th round pick (some people sitting in a room together agreed he had some potential), better handles than I expected (played point a little - I was led to believe he couldn't dribble at all - The Sandwich Hunter can already thank him for an assist in his 3 minutes of playing time), 6'11" (you can't teach height), potential 40+% 3 point shooter, YOUNG, NBA father that can help keep his head on straight and loves The Spurs, some potential rim protection (I loved that transition D block on D-Wade), Good hands (Um, Ayers), potential passing big like Diaw point-forward feeding the post...

    There is a lot to like...if any of it can manifest.

    I am still skeptical about his foot speed to guard on the perimeter, and his slight build makes him a liability in the post, probably. I am also worried about his bad at ude in Detroit, maybe. Hard to know what went on there but it doesn't sound good. With his dad and Pop, etc. on his ass maybe it was nothing or maybe it is corrected or correctable. People can surprise you when put in a corner...knowing this may be one of his last chances, maybe we see some fight.

    So, I will light a prayer candle for the kid, as I am tired of watching undersized players at every position too often it seems.
    I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

    Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

    And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.

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    I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

    Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

    And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.
    Many valid points, agreed. If we leave out his 3 point shooting, Green has been consistent in other areas. 3pt% not a per 36, but a seemingly very salient number considering the positions they play. I sure as would want them both to be consistent in that category, and Green was not. I choose not to ignore that category when evaluating them.

    Only thing I could have an argument with in your response is that all of our starters have always been good. I don't believe Danny was good in Cleveland. However, that's a subjective definition, so there really isn't much to argue. I think Daye was pretty good at Gonzaga, from what I know. I thought he was pretty good his first two years in Detroit. That third year he collapsed it seems. After that, I don't know what kind of time and effort and opportunities he got in Memphis and Toronto. You seem to think he got coached up in both of those places as comparatively well as he would have gotten in San Antonio. I don't know. I think the only real place he had a significant stay was in Detroit, and I think he did screw that up. Maybe you can shed some more light on all of the efforts that were put into him in Memphis and Toronto as a backup. I am sure you are more versed on the topic than I am.

    And, re: the pillow scream, you didn't say you hated it. True. But, it sure sounded like you were laughing at him, not with him. Maybe it will be his last NBA team. Time will tell.

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    Holy crap.

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    I didn't say Green hasn't improved, especially in shooting percentage. Most shooters do when they come to the Spurs. What I did say was Green's per-36 numbers were consistent for his whole career, and they are. 3P% is not a per-36 stat. If you want to look at other stats, why not comment on Green's superior ORtg and DRtg or PER which he managed to gey despite not rebounding or shooting as well as Daye?

    Anyway, you missed the point of what I said. It wasn't to say Green is awesome and Daye sucks. It certainly wasn't to say that I don't want Daye to succeed. It was to say that the Spurs' system doesn't make busts into great players. All of the Spurs starters are and have always been good players. The fact that Daye has busted despite getting playing time on teams who invested in him bodes poorly for his chances of succeeding on the Spurs. I actually have more confidence in him than most, but I don't have any misconception about his prospects.

    And I thought the pillow scream was hilarious. I didn't say I hated it. It is kind of ironic, though, since the Spurs may well be his final NBA team.
    The only reason his points per 36 are close is because he took more shots in cleveland.

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    Daye made some positive impact on the defensive end tonight in his most minutes as a Spur.

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    solid outing tonight... light up a candle for the kid

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    daye played well

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    Props to Daye!

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    Kid just need to bulk up. He has the tools.

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    Thought he should have played more. He did a good job as a small-ball four. He clearly wants to stick with the team, and that's enough for me to root for him.

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    Loved the block on Green and the way he helped in team rebounding. On offense he showed good awareness, feeding Ayres for his only positive play of the night. I can't fault Pop for going back to the starters in closing time, but his contribution should lead to more opportunities going forward.

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    Kid didn't look out of place at all. Unlike Ayers. Looks like a keeper when he learns the system over this season and off-season.

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    Spurs are 13-1 with Daye, tbh... all hail the master

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    He made that block against Draymond Green look easy.

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    Sorta jumping the gun, but I hope Bonner or even Ayers are in the inactive for the playoffs. I think Daye could be a option against Durant because of his length if Kawhi gets in foul trouble, or is struggling against him.

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    Add some lean mass and he could be a stretch 4 for the Spurs. He looked pretty quick for his height as well.

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    He made an excellent, savvy, "Spurs"-like pass to Errors in tonight's game.

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    Sorta jumping the gun, but I hope Bonner or even Ayers are in the inactive for the playoffs. I think Daye could be a option against Durant because of his length if Kawhi gets in foul trouble, or is struggling against him.
    If he is playing the four he might be a good matchup against ibaka, especially when ibaka goes into jump shooting mode.

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    Not displeased at all as of yet
    Im really waiting for a breakout game tho
    Hes young and healthy if he can pick up the system theres definitely a place for him on the roster

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    I knew he could shoot but it was his awareness on defense that was a nice surprise. Moved his feet well, used his length to disrupt, and boxed out. Never seemed out of place. Nice cut to the basket and pass to Ayers.

    Doubt Pop uses him in the playoffs but he has the tools to stick around next year I think.

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    Hopefully Matty is out this week and he gets some time tbh.

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    Gotta give props to Daye. He showed some energy and had some good awareness on the defensive end. Already he looks like he fits in and gets "it" more than Ayres.

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