is splitter a little bulkier this season?
There's nothing pointless about this stat. Splitter's so good defensively that if he scores in double figures, he's likely dominating his matchup. Since he usually takes on the opposing team's best big, him winning his matchup means the Spurs likely won the interior battle. They almost always win the perimeter battle, so if Splitter scores well, the Spurs usually have outclassed their opponents.
Cause vs correlation is one of the most commonly used logical fallacies.
Actually it is pointless. Had Splitter simply missed the shots, or been sent to the line and missed more FTs, he'd not have double digit points. Spurs could still win. What's the Spurs' record if Splitter doesn't score 11 or more?
31-16 is what they get if he scores nine or fewer. I have no idea about 11 or fewer.
Anyway, don't try to bring fallacies into this. The stat is a material conditional, not a biconditional. No one said the Spurs can't or don't win if Splitter fails to hit double figures. But the fact is that Splitter scoring well leading to a Spurs win makes tons of sense. It's not an accident. Can the Spurs win without Splitter going off? Obviously. But that doesn't mean that Tiago going off doesn't have a major effect on the team's performance.
And in case anyone's wondering, a chi-square test returns a 0.2-percent chance of that stat being incidental.
What does it give for the acquisition of Austin Daye and the 13 and 1 record since?
Good, if we're trailing by 20 at the half of any game, just need to force feed T vag...
It's doesn't have to be incidental to mean very little except that he's facing weak D...
Probably a pretty similar one, but that one clearly has more noise in it. Splitter's double-figure games have been scattered throughout the season under numerous permutations of other factors. Daye's membership on the roster correlates too much with other factors that also have a strong correlation with wins, while Daye's membership with the Raptors and previous teams clearly argues against that.
In short, bad counter. Splitter's had years to show that he's a difference-maker when he scores well. Daye has had years to show that it's not the case that him simply being on the bench helps teams win. While stats can be misleading, they aren't that obviously flawed.
Last edited by Chinook; 03-23-2014 at 01:36 AM.
You know, cause Bogut and O'Neal are weak defenders...
If anything what you learn from that game is that Tiago is a true center and the pairing with Duncan might be even worse next year...
Well T-Vag is at the bottom of the scouting of the report so it's not like they go into the game focusing on him instead of helping...
...and you REALLY don't see how this is the Green debate reincarnated?
That's on Tim. Even if Splitter has to go to the bench, he still has shown that he's worth his money and will be worth even more when he gets to play the five fulltime.
Yeah let's just throw Tim under the bus... Boris makes 4m and can pull his weight with both...
Weight jokes aside, tonight's a poor time to rep Diaw.
And yes, it is Duncan's "fault" if he can't play with Splitter. Tiago is a center. He's been one his whole career. It's not his fault if Tim can't shoot from outside.
Boris was simply +14 while sucking... There's no poor time to rep Diaw tbh... There's no entire series where he gonna be turned into a cheerleader...
Backing yourself into the plus-minus corner, eh? Sounds like a Bonner fan.
We're 2 for 2 when Bonner scores 11 or more... Talking about stupid stats... And Bonner is way closer to Splitter as a regular season god and a post season liability...
T vag has been a dead weight the team had to pull in the POs 3 years in a row now, hopefully this year is different...
Yeah, since two-for-two and 22-for-22 have the same statistical weight...
Honestly, if Splitter-haters weren't being so biased, they'd understand there's no controversy in this thread. The Spurs win when their fifth option scores a bunch of points. The stat isn't all that interesting, but it's certainly not meaningless. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar stats with Perkins or Birdman.
Never mind about Perk; he just sucks on offense. He only scored more than eight once. Thunder did win that game, though, so technically they are undefeated when their center scores in double figures as well.
You make a good point. You're basically saying that this is correlation without causation, and the third variable is opponent defense. Splitter scoring 10+ tends to happen when the Spurs win, but that doesn't mean he caused them to win - it could be that the opponent's poor performance caused us to win, and Splitter scoring 10+ was an epiphenomenon of that. At most, we can say Splitter scoring mediated the process.
I think the refs are giving him less BS too
Tiago's highlights vs Warriors
14 rebounds match his career high
13 defensive rebounds are his new career high
spurs are still unbeatable when Tiago scores 7+ points (29W 0L)
(22W 0L when scores 10+ points)
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