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    Although the government has made statements that terminating a fertilized embryo before it implants in the uterus is not an abortion,” writes Bart Stupak and Democrats for Life in an amicus brief filed in support of Hobby Lobby, “the relevant matter for claim of conscience … is plaintiffsbelief that a distinct human life begins at fertilization. It is no salve … to be told that the government defines abortion differently.”

    There’s no doubt that this belief is sincere. But what’s fascinating is the extent to which, for conservative evangelicals, its new. So new, in fact, that when Hobby Lobby’s president, Steve Green, was a child in the 1960s, it was the minority view among American evangelical Protestants.



    In his book Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics, Jonathan Dudley notes that most evangelicals held far more liberal views at the time. “God does not regard the fetus as a soul no matter how far gestation has progressed,” wrote professor Bruce Waltke of Dallas Theological Seminary in a 1968 issue of Christianity Today on contraception and abortion, edited by Harold Lindsell, a then-famous champion of biblical “inerrancy.” His argument rested on the Hebrew Bible, “[A]ccording to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense. … Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”



    This position was reaffirmed at a symposium sponsored by Christianity Today and the Christian Medical & Dental Associations, where participants agreed to disagree over the “sinfulness” of an “induced abortion,” but agreed about “the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain cir stances,” namely, rape and incest. The do ent produced by the conference, “A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction,” said, “The prevention of conception is not in itself forbidden or sinful providing the reasons for it are in harmony with the total revelation of God for married life” and that the “method of preventing pregnancy is not so much a religious as a scientific and medical question to be determined in consultation with one’s physician.”

    Three years after the symposium, the conservative Southern Baptist Convention endorsed this view, with a call for “Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”



    By 1982, however, the SBC—along with most American evangelicals—had switched gears entirely. During that year’s convention, delegates held that “human life begins at conception” and that they would work for “appropriate” legislation or a cons utional amendment to “prohibit abortions except to save the physical life of the mother.”



    What happened to cause this sea change in at udes toward fetal life and abortion among evangelicals? In short, politics, and in particular, the successful coalition-building of Jerry Falwell, Paul Weyrich, and other Christian conservatives in the wake of Roe v. Wade. Conservative Catholics were quick to mobilize against the court’s ruling, but many Protestant evangelicals were relatively apathetic. At that point, “culture war” issues such as abortion, feminism, and sexuality weren’t on their radar (hence Jimmy Carter’s successful appeal to them in the 1976 presidential election).



    It took the organizational might of Falwell and his “Moral Majority”—as well as evangelical anti-abortion figures such as Francis Schaeffer—to galvanize evangelicals around other “culture war” issues such as feminism, sexuality, and school prayer. This in turn led to alliances with largely Catholic organizations like the National Right to Life Committee.



    Belief tends to follow behavior, and working in political alliance with Catholics—a significant shift from earlier periods of evangelical political activism—led conservative evangelicals to adopt “pro-life” positions on abortion.
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    “The evangelical Right was not born out of a concern about abortion,” Dudley writes. It was initially formed in response to President Jimmy Carter’s effort to deny tax-exempt status to Christian schools because of their practicing racial segregation. This is ironic, considering that “contemporary leaders of the evangelical Right are fond of comparing their antiabortion advocacy to the work of the evangelicals who fought slavery in the 1800s."
    http://www.examiner.com/review/broke...litical-issues

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    "formed in response to President Jimmy Carter’s effort to deny tax-exempt status to Christian schools because of their practicing racial segregation"

    which I suppose was "Christian" schools, themselves a blatant tactic of 1970s resegregation in mostly in the still-and-always racist Confederacy, still-and-always a stain on the USA.



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    there was a backlash to bussing as a desegregation tactic. I wouldn't paint Christian schools with such a broad brush: surely many of them predated the controversy.

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    there was a backlash to bussing as a desegregation tactic. I wouldn't paint Christian schools with such a broad brush: surely many of them predated the controversy.
    many of them, aka Christian charter schools, in the Confederacy were created, and are still being created, to achieve resegregation.

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    not just in the "Confederacy, " but sure.

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    the southern US doesn't have an exclusive or proprietary hold on racism

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    nor is Christianity a right wing monolith. in the case of evangelical protestantism that it's right wing at all is a fairly recent development.

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    nor is Christianity a right wing monolith. in the case of evangelical protestantism that it's right wing at all is a fairly recent development.
    nobody said it was, but it's evangelical wing, admittedly evangelical is very vague, that appears to be the most polticized, pushing their morals and ethics onto everybody (Hobby Lobby), pushing creationism and anti-science into public schools, etc, etc. And being "from the South", quite racist. iow, the Repug hard core base.

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    that's just dumb, boutons. being Christian and from the south doesn't guarantee anything.

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    that's just dumb, boutons. being Christian and from the south doesn't guarantee anything.
    who said guarantee? who said monolith?

    read the article I just posted in the racist thread about Repug LEADER/INTELLECTUAL's racism.

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    wherein conservatism=racism. we've seen it before, will see it a million times more. your political opponent is axiomatically evil, all who do not join you in resistance are it's blinkered stooges.

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    wherein conservatism=racism. we've seen it before, will see it a million times more. your political opponent is axiomatically evil, all who do not join you in resistance are it's blinkered stooges.
    you're getting the picture, congrats.

    So name us ALL the wonderful things the Repugs have done for the 99% since 1980.

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    the Republican party is not coextensive with conservatism

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    in fact, it's the radical party

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    of the two competing center-left, i.e., liberal statist parties

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    So name us ALL the wonderful things the Repugs have done for the 99% since 1980.
    what is Medicare part D? (besides the biggest expansion in the welfare state since the Great Society)

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    what is Medicare part D? (besides the biggest expansion in the welfare state since the Great Society)
    Medicare Part D, and its twin Medicare Advantage, are ABOVE ALL a huge waste of taxpayer money, shovelling taxpayers' $100Bs to corporations. Repugs also MADE A REGULATION that forbids govt from negotiating BigPharma's prices down. and the donut hole, another huge give to Medicare druggies.

    got anything else?

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    Medicare Part D, and its twin Medicare Advantage, are ABOVE ALL a huge waste of taxpayer money, shovelling taxpayers' $100Bs to corporations. Repugs also MADE A REGULATION that forbids govt from negotiating BigPharma's prices down. and the donut hole, another huge give to Medicare druggies.

    got anything else?
    Advocates of negotiation say that if the Veterans Health Administration can negotiate lower drug prices for its members successfully, why can't the Department of Health and Human Services? A recent study by Families USA, a consumer advocacy group strongly supporting federal negotiation for Part D drugs, found that for the top 20 drugs, the prices charged by the five companies with the largest enrollment averaged 58 percent higher than the prices charged to Veterans Health Administration beneficiaries.
    "The Part D insurance companies are getting lousy prices," says Ron Pollack, Families USA executive director. "The drug companies don't want the government to bargain, because the PDPs [prescription drug plans] don't have the bargaining clout that Medicare does. If you look at what the VHA gets, they get a much better price. So it's bad for seniors, who have to pay more out of pocket, and it's bad for taxpayers, who foot the bill for three-quarters of Part D."

    http://www.managedcaremag.com/archiv...2.medmgmt.html

    got anything else?



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    it's not my opinion that either party does much good for the little guy, but your facile imputation that Republicans to nothing worthwhile in public service is just that. facile.

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    it's not my opinion that either party does much good for the little guy, but your facile imputation that Republicans to nothing worthwhile in public service is just that. facile.
    my imputation is easy, brain dead, because of the overwhelming evidence against the Repugs.

    The Dems aren't "good", but they are vastly better and certainly not equivalent to the Repugs.

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    Medicare Part D, and its twin Medicare Advantage, are ABOVE ALL a huge waste of taxpayer money, shovelling taxpayers' $100Bs to corporations. Repugs also MADE A REGULATION that forbids govt from negotiating BigPharma's prices down. and the donut hole, another huge give to Medicare druggies.

    got anything else?
    eg


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    my imputation is easy, brain dead.....
    This much is true.

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