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  1. 03-26-2014 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by scanry
    6 also set the tone for Tim's continued drive this year. He'll surpass 2 pretty soon in the all time rankings now that Piano's been busy with his curricular activities while collecting his 30.5.
    I don't do rankings.

    It's my religion.
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  2. 03-26-2014 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread
    ...6 put a damper on things.

    tee, hee.
    Though 2004 trumps it.
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  3. 03-26-2014 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    So KK81 wants a larger sample size, here it is. Year by year breakdown:

    Young Buck Years:
    96-97 - 48-23 w Kobe, 8-3 w/o (68% winning % vs. 73%)
    97-98 - 58-21 (74%) vs. 3-0 (100%)
    98-99 - Didn't miss any games
    Overall - 137-63 (69%) vs. 11-3 (79%)

    2nd banana to Shaq years:
    99-00 - 55-11 (83%) vs. 12-4 (75%)
    00-01 - 45-23 (66%) vs. 11-3 (79%)
    01-02 - 56-24 (70%) vs. 2-0 (100%)
    02-03 - Didn't miss any games
    03-04 - 48-17 (74%) vs. 8-9 (47%) (Only season Kobe had a significant +ve impact, but Shaq missed a lot of those Kobe missed games as well)
    Overall: 254-107 (70%) vs. 33-16 (67%)

    Kobe as the lead years:
    04-05 - 28-38 (42%) vs. 6-10 (38%)
    05-06 - 45-35 (56%) vs. 0-2 (0%)
    06-07 - 39-38 (51%) vs. 3-2 (60%)
    Overall: 112-111 (50%) vs. 9-14 (39%)

    MVPau years:
    07-08 - Didn't miss any games
    08-09 - Didn't miss any games
    09-10 - 51-22 (70%) vs. 6-3 (67%)
    10-11 - Didn't miss any games
    11-12 - 36-22 (62%) vs. 5-3 (63%)
    12-13 - 42-36 (54%) vs. 3-1 (75%)
    Overall: 308-147 (68%) vs. 14-7 (67%)

    Grand overall: 811-428 (65%) vs. 67-40 (63%)

    Overall, Kobe had no effect in any stage of his career, except him being top dog and leading the Lakers to a missed playoffs and two first round exits, but even then, the Lakers were actually 6-8 in 04-05 without Kobe but with Odom, which is the same winning % as the Lakers with Kobe.
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  4. 03-26-2014 #29
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    Lakers with Kobe: 813-432 (.653)
    Lakers without Kobe: 89-82 (.520)
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  5. 03-26-2014 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Lakers with Kobe: 813-432 (.653)
    Lakers without Kobe: 89-82 (.520)
    taking pride at the quit during the Lakers worst year, when the Lakers have pretty much the same record this year w vs. w/o Kobe.
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  6. 03-26-2014 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    taking pride at the quit during the Lakers worst year, when the Lakers have pretty much the same record this year w vs. w/o Kobe.
    Those are the facts, facts are stuff spurfan like to ignore.

    Bonus facts:
    Without Pau: 3 Championships, 4 Finals, 391-170 Regular season, 76-43 Playoffs
    Without Shaq: 2 Championships, 3 Finals, 422-262 Regular season, 59-42 Playoffs
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  7. 03-26-2014 #32
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    Playoffs

    Lakers with Kobe: 135-85 (.614)
    Lakers without Kobe: 2-5 (.286)
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  8. 03-26-2014 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Those are the facts, facts are stuff spurfan like to ignore.

    Bonus facts:
    Without Pau: 3 Championships, 4 Finals, 391-170 Regular season, 76-43 Playoffs
    Without Shaq: 2 Championships, 3 Finals, 422-262 Regular season, 59-42 Playoffs
    Where would you put Bryant if he won a 6th, Deuce?
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  9. 03-26-2014 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine Robinson
    Where would you put Bryant if he won a 6th, Deuce?
    Depends how he wins it tbh
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  10. 03-26-2014 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Depends how he wins it tbh
    The same way he won his last two
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  11. 03-26-2014 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine Robinson
    The same way he won his last two
    5th behind mj, russ, kaj, magic.
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  12. 03-26-2014 #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Those are the facts, facts are stuff spurfan like to ignore.

    Bonus facts:
    Without Pau: 3 Championships, 4 Finals, 391-170 Regular season, 76-43 Playoffs
    Without Shaq: 2 Championships, 3 Finals, 422-262 Regular season, 59-42 Playoffs
    Taking the year where Kobe was "injured" and heavily weighing it in favour of Kobe.
    Not understanding that this year's team is different from the three peat Shaq led or repeat MVPau led teams
    Not understanding 2nd bananas can get lucky
    Same career success as Derek Fisher

    Here is another Bonus fact:
    Without best frontline in the league: 3 1st round exits, 2 non-playoff year (including this year)
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  13. 03-26-2014 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    Taking the year where Kobe was "injured" and heavily weighing it in favour of Kobe.
    Not understanding that this year's team is different from the three peat Shaq led or repeat MVPau led teams
    Not understanding 2nd bananas can get lucky
    Same career success as Derek Fisher

    Here is another Bonus fact:
    Without best frontline in the league: 3 1st round exits, 2 non-playoff year (including this year)
    Wrong

    2008 Lakers made it to the NBA Finals without Kobe having the best front court or without a single all-star or all-nba teammate.
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  14. 03-26-2014 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Wrong

    2008 Lakers made it to the NBA Finals without Kobe having the best front court or without a single all-star or all-nba teammate.
    continue to throw MVPau under the bus.
    MVPau WS/48 in 2008 with the Lakers = .239
    Kobe = .208
    Bynum - .230

    ranking 3rd on the team in ws/48, and by a large margin at that.
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  15. 03-26-2014 #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    continue to throw MVPau under the bus.
    MVPau WS/48 in 2008 with the Lakers = .239
    Kobe = .208
    Bynum - .230

    ranking 3rd on the team in ws/48, and by a large margin at that.
    Well good job at disproving WS. Looks like you're starting to learn something.

    Facts:
    Kobe: MVP, all-star, all-nba first team, all-defensive first team, 2nd in scoring
    All other Lakers: nothing
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  16. 03-26-2014 #41
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    "MVP" Pau never received an MVP vote in his career. Not a single point.
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  17. 03-26-2014 #42
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    What the is up with all these bull Laker threads? You es are irrelevant. Let's keep the discussion to relevant teams now, please and thank you.
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  18. 03-26-2014 #43
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    How did "MVP" Pau do in Memphis? He led his team to a 10-29 record in 07-08. MVPau doe. WS doe.
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  19. 03-26-2014 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadian
    What the is up with all these bull Laker threads? You es are irrelevant. Let's keep the discussion to relevant teams now, please and thank you.
    Relevant enough to have 2 pics in your sig of your team playing an "irrelevant" Laker team.

    taking pride in beating the 13-14 Lakers
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  20. 03-26-2014 #45
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    In honor of spurfan...
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  21. 03-26-2014 #46
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    Man, MVPau has made Stat real salty and mad over the years
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  22. 03-26-2014 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Well good job at disproving WS. Looks like you're starting to learn something.

    Facts:
    Kobe: MVP, all-star, all-nba first team, all-defensive first team, 2nd in scoring
    All other Lakers: nothing
    Aren't those media awards that you Kobe fans scoff at?

    Duncan: 2 MVPs
    Kobe: 1 MVP

    Duncan = twice as good as Kobe.
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  23. 03-26-2014 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Those are the facts, facts are stuff spurfan like to ignore.

    Bonus facts:
    Without Pau: 3 Championships, 4 Finals, 391-170 Regular season, 76-43 Playoffs
    Without Shaq: 2 Championships, 3 Finals, 422-262 Regular season, 59-42 Playoffs
    without either of them: 0 rings, 0 2nd round appearances... 1 lottery pick.
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  24. 03-26-2014 #49
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    Don't forget how good Odom was during the back to back.
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  25. 03-26-2014 #50
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    Deuce is the worst Lakers sophist yet. I actually prefer the machismo trolling over the willful ignorance and grandstanding on minutiae.

    I did love him using 9 years of Finals stat padding in losing efforts as the basis for saying Jerry West was a top 5 player.
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