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    are bribery and gun trafficking by politicians newsworthy? meritorious of denunciation?
    Absolutely. Newsworthy and meritous of denunciation. That said, the people in this thread seemed to care more about boutons lack of a comment than they were about denouncing the state senator...

    TSA seems to be wildly affected by this though, so there is that.

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    lol....what is the threshold for relevance?

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    A Repug US attorney got fired for jailing Repug Duke Cunningham. I wonder if anybody US attorney or prosecutor will get fired for taking this Dem guy down

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    Absolutely. Newsworthy and meritous of denunciation. That said, the people in this thread seemed to care more about boutons lack of a comment than they were about denouncing the state senator...

    TSA seems to be wildly affected by this though, so there is that.
    That the poster boy of hypocrisy is called out should not be a surprise.

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    take a look in the mirror, TP. just like the posters you slight for emotionalism, you seem to prefer the flame war to topical posting.

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    That the poster boy of hypocrisy is called out should not be a surprise.
    And yes, Push. Either/or/both.

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    lol....what is the threshold for relevance?
    Politically? You know the answer to that. My point is that there will be no political ramifications for the Democratic Party, nationally or even regionally.

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    still spinning . . .

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    take a look in the mirror, TP. just like the posters you slight for emotionalism, you seem to prefer the flame war to topical posting.
    Guilty (in this thread), but my point still stands re political ramifications...

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    Politically? You know the answer to that. My point is that there will be no political ramifications for the Democratic Party, nationally or even regionally.
    Pretty sure even I could run against a gun-running senator with a decent chance to win.

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    TSA seems to be wildly affected by this though, so there is that.
    wildly affected

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    And I'm no Schwarzenegger, girly man!

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    if anybody's wildly affected ITT it's Push

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    Guilty (in this thread)...
    There's nothing wrong with flame wars. I enjoy a good one myself. What grates is alternating between participation and pretending to be somewhat above it.

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    Pretty sure even I could run against a gun-running senator with a decent chance to win.
    As long as you had a (D) following your name. Voter registration 15.9% republican for the district.

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    My point is that there will be no political ramifications for the Democratic Party, nationally or even regionally.


    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/03...e-arrest-video

    The stunning arrest and subsequent suspension from the California Senate of veteran politician Leland Yee (D) will alter the balance of power in California politics, boosting the influence of Republicans in the state capital and eroding, at least temporarily, Democratic dominance in the very blue Golden State.

    But whether the Democrats' retrenchment lasts will depend on how closely California voters are paying attention – and how long their memories are, political analysts say.

    Senator Yee, arrested last week after a five-year FBI sting operation, faces federal charges related to conspiracy to traffic in firearms without a license and accepting campaign funds in exchange for political favors. His Senate colleagues voted Friday to suspend him. A Los Angeles Times headline read, “Even old hands are stunned by Yee allegations.”

    “If there ever has been a more nauseating corruption scandal in Sacramento, I’m not aware of it. Certainly not in the past 50 years,” writes Times political columnist George Skelton. “The notion of a legislator masquerading as a gun control crusader while offering to help a mobster traffic in automatic rifles and rocket launchers is beyond hypocrisy. It’s sick.”

    The immediate consequence is that Yee's suspension – along with two other recent suspensions of Democratic senators over different matters –shifts the power balance in the legislature by removing the Senate supermajority enjoyed by Democrats. That means Democrats now will need at least some GOP support to approve their initiatives, which currently range from an $11 billion water bond measure to creating a budgetary rainy-day fund to raising taxes on oil companies.

    Sherry Be Jeffe, a senior fellow at the School of Policy, Planning, and Development at the University of Southern California, says that if she were advising Democrats, she would simply say, “don’t bring up any major issues for now.”

    Longer term, the Yee case may fuel anti-in bent sentiment among voters in this year's elections, possibly giving Republican candidates a boost after years of experiencing a steady ballot-box decline.

    “The Yee saga represents a potential political earthquake that California goes through about every 10 to 15 years,”says David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University. “To wit ... 2003 and the recall of Governor [Gray] Davis and the rise of Arnold Schwarzenegger.”

    Others don't see the consequences as that large.

    “The Yee scandal could give Republicans a talking point that could help them win a couple of marginal Democratic seats,” says Jack Pitney, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College. “If that happens, Democrats will need GOP votes for any measure requiring a supermajority. Republicans will regain a bit of relevance.”

    The size of the ripple effect will depend on yet-to-emerge details about the Yee case, and on whether voters are paying attention, analysts say. That usually means short-term damage but a longer-term reprieve.

    “The Yee case involves a respectable person doing unspeakable things with garish criminals. It's a mix of 'Breaking Bad,' 'House of Cards,' and 'The Wire,' ” says Mr. Pitney. “People pay attention, which is why the suspensions followed so fast" after Yee's arrest.

    At least one Republican is not banking on a backlash from Democratic voters in California to upend politics as usual.

    “All it will mean in the short term is that …now if Democrats want to get legislation passed they need to get the support of some Republicans for the legislation,” says Gary Aminoff, vice chairman of the Republican Party of Los Angeles County. “I think it might help get some Republicans elected to the legislature this year, but by 2016 it will be all but forgotten by voters.”

    The scandal could affect the race for California secretary of state because Yee, who could not run again for state Senate because of term limits, had been a candidate prior to his arrest.

    “This could affect the secretary of state race,” says Mr. McCuan, noting that the need for political reform could return as a big issue just as California marks the 40th anniversary of its path-breaking Political Reform Act, which was enacted after the Watergate scandal. Dan Schnur, a former GOP operative running for that office as an Independent, could use the Yee case as leverage, McCuan says.

    It may also affect Asian-American voters and political candidates, says Ms. Jeffe, noting that Betty Yee, who is running for state controller, could see her campaign suffer by name association.

    “It will be interesting to see if [Asian candidates and voters] are motivated more or less to participate in politics by this,” says Jeffe.

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    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2014/03...e-arrest-video

    The stunning arrest and subsequent suspension from the California Senate of veteran politician Leland Yee (D) will alter the balance of power in California politics, boosting the influence of Republicans in the state capital and eroding, at least temporarily, Democratic dominance in the very blue Golden State.

    But whether the Democrats' retrenchment lasts will depend on how closely California voters are paying attention – and how long their memories are, political analysts say.

    Senator Yee, arrested last week after a five-year FBI sting operation, faces federal charges related to conspiracy to traffic in firearms without a license and accepting campaign funds in exchange for political favors. His Senate colleagues voted Friday to suspend him. A Los Angeles Times headline read, “Even old hands are stunned by Yee allegations.”

    “If there ever has been a more nauseating corruption scandal in Sacramento, I’m not aware of it. Certainly not in the past 50 years,” writes Times political columnist George Skelton. “The notion of a legislator masquerading as a gun control crusader while offering to help a mobster traffic in automatic rifles and rocket launchers is beyond hypocrisy. It’s sick.”

    The immediate consequence is that Yee's suspension – along with two other recent suspensions of Democratic senators over different matters –shifts the power balance in the legislature by removing the Senate supermajority enjoyed by Democrats. That means Democrats now will need at least some GOP support to approve their initiatives, which currently range from an $11 billion water bond measure to creating a budgetary rainy-day fund to raising taxes on oil companies.

    Sherry Be Jeffe, a senior fellow at the School of Policy, Planning, and Development at the University of Southern California, says that if she were advising Democrats, she would simply say, “don’t bring up any major issues for now.”

    Longer term, the Yee case may fuel anti-in bent sentiment among voters in this year's elections, possibly giving Republican candidates a boost after years of experiencing a steady ballot-box decline.

    “The Yee saga represents a potential political earthquake that California goes through about every 10 to 15 years,”says David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University. “To wit ... 2003 and the recall of Governor [Gray] Davis and the rise of Arnold Schwarzenegger.”

    Others don't see the consequences as that large.

    “The Yee scandal could give Republicans a talking point that could help them win a couple of marginal Democratic seats,” says Jack Pitney, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College. “If that happens, Democrats will need GOP votes for any measure requiring a supermajority. Republicans will regain a bit of relevance.”

    The size of the ripple effect will depend on yet-to-emerge details about the Yee case, and on whether voters are paying attention, analysts say. That usually means short-term damage but a longer-term reprieve.

    “The Yee case involves a respectable person doing unspeakable things with garish criminals. It's a mix of 'Breaking Bad,' 'House of Cards,' and 'The Wire,' ” says Mr. Pitney. “People pay attention, which is why the suspensions followed so fast" after Yee's arrest.

    At least one Republican is not banking on a backlash from Democratic voters in California to upend politics as usual.

    “All it will mean in the short term is that …now if Democrats want to get legislation passed they need to get the support of some Republicans for the legislation,” says Gary Aminoff, vice chairman of the Republican Party of Los Angeles County. “I think it might help get some Republicans elected to the legislature this year, but by 2016 it will be all but forgotten by voters.”

    The scandal could affect the race for California secretary of state because Yee, who could not run again for state Senate because of term limits, had been a candidate prior to his arrest.

    “This could affect the secretary of state race,” says Mr. McCuan, noting that the need for political reform could return as a big issue just as California marks the 40th anniversary of its path-breaking Political Reform Act, which was enacted after the Watergate scandal. Dan Schnur, a former GOP operative running for that office as an Independent, could use the Yee case as leverage, McCuan says.

    It may also affect Asian-American voters and political candidates, says Ms. Jeffe, noting that Betty Yee, who is running for state controller, could see her campaign suffer by name association.

    “It will be interesting to see if [Asian candidates and voters] are motivated more or less to participate in politics by this,” says Jeffe.
    Nice link and from a reputable source! Glad to see there are experts that agree with my opinion and absolutely no one that thinks this will have national implications.

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    My point is that there will be no political ramifications for the Democratic Party, nationally or even regionally.

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    What's really telling is your refusal to even discuss the OP. You brush off gun trafficking by a senator helping to arm criminals as if it's no big deal, yet you whine and moan about gun show loopholes arm criminals. Th'Pusher (D)

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    So 'no political ramifications' was a little hyperbolic. I should have said "very few political ramifications" and couched that as an opinion, but that's pretty much a given. Thanks again for the article.

    I think I am going to continue to point out your hyper-emotional responses when I encounter them. I feel by doing so, I have driven you to search out rational, reputable news sources which can only benefit the forum as a whole. Keep up the good work.

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    What's really telling is your refusal to even discuss the OP. You brush off gun trafficking by a senator helping to arm criminals as if it's no big deal, yet you whine and moan about gun show loopholes arm criminals. Th'Pusher (D)
    I said the incident was:

    Newsworthy and meritous of denunciation.
    The guy is clearly a s bag, But he's a state senator representing a state I don't live in. As I mentioned above, I think you and the forum as a whole would be better served by me calling out your uncontrollable emotions rather than piling on some obviously criminal state senator.

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    There is no fun in always posting reputable sources.

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    There is no fun in always posting reputable sources.
    Oh. Right. You're a troll. I forgot.

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    Oh. Right. You're a troll. I forgot.
    You forgot to throw in your go to emotional burn, you're slipping.

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