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    Except that the white man wrote the law. He's just a black puppet.
    As long as he gets the credit I'm good....yall been doing that to us for years TSA...taking all the credit while we do the work...

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    it's a done deal....Obama was heaven sent...and he's clowning the Republicans by saying that Armageddon has not come yet under his watch
    just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start ting their pants.

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    just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start ting their pants.
    this right here is gonna allow Hilary to walk right into the white house and I'm confident we'll hold the Senate even though it'll be close...this will help...the Repubs are losing the argument more and more each day...they only had a certain time to scare the bejeebus out of people and it failed...now all the piss poor hillbillies and rednecks are gonna start signing up in missing teeth droves

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    And of those how many were previously uninsured? You'd think they'd have that number to share.
    What makes you think they'd know how many people were previously insured?

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    just wait until a state like California or Vermont goes to a single payer system and that spreads the way it did in Canada, Republicans and their big pharma contributors will really start ting their pants.
    Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.

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    What makes you think they'd know how many people were previously insured?
    Is that a serious question?

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    Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.
    make the connection for me TSA...explain a bit further what you mean...thanks

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    Corruption runs far too deep in our government for a single payer to function like Canada's.
    Canada's government is bigger. Doesn't bigger government = more corruption?

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    Is that a serious question?
    Yes
    Four years after enactment, and six months into the final stage of implementation, the starter home may not look great. But it’s weathered the political and technological storms, albeit better in some parts of the country than others, and it is still standing. People are using the new marketplaces to get insurance. And the available evidence—a combination of state-specific data from places like Washington, Kentucky, and New York, along with fuzzy polling data and fuzzier anecdotes—suggests strongly the number of people without insurance is declining.

    It’s impossible to tell by how much, so you should ignore anybody, left or right, who claims to know the answer.
    But the fact that enrollments through the marketplaces are approaching what the Congressional Budget Office and other experts once predicted ought to make you more confident about their other projections. And these authorities predicted the law would mean many more people had real, stable health insurance coverage. One reason, often overlooked in this debate, is that lots of people are getting coverage through other sources—like Medicaid or, if they are young adults, through their parents’ employers—that would not have been available without Obamacare. Another is that conservative stories of several million people losing coverage because insurers cancelled plans last year overlook one key fact: Nearly all of those people got new insurance, usually through the same carriers as before.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...care-act-again
    Do you claim to have the answer?

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    Canada's government is bigger. Doesn't bigger government = more corruption?
    Not at all when you're Canadian.

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    Not at all when you're Canadian.
    But I constantly hear the tea baggers say big government = more corruption. Are they wrong?

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    Yes


    Do you claim to have the answer?
    No I do not. But when our boy Bob Laszewski crunches the numbers I'll let you know.

    http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspo...ny-of.html?m=1


    Health insurance reform was long overdue. But did it need to be done the way the architects of the Affordable Care Act did it?

    Obamacare was enacted, and the private health insurance market fundamentally changed, so that we could cover millions of people who previously couldn't get coverage.

    Are enough people getting coverage who didn't have it before to justify the sacrifices the people who were already covered––in the individual, small group, and large employer market––are making or will make?

    I will suggest the country will never really be able to judge how good or how bad Obamacare is until that question is answered.

    Forget the Obama administration's spin over hitting 6 million. Forget all of the opposition spin over Obamacare's failings.

    The country's judgment should and will come down to a simple answer to this simple question.

    Of course, the more than 6 million enrollment the administration recently announced overstates Obamacare's success because this includes enrollments that were never completed since the person never paid the premium. There are lots of reasons why a consumer might not complete the enrollment. The person may have hit the enroll button a number of times and ended up paying only once. It may have been one of the infamous "834" transactions that never made sense and the consumer ended up having to enroll again later. Or, the person might have had second thoughts about the cost/benefit of Obamacare and decided not to move forward.

    Then there were a measurable number of people who paid their first month's premium but never paid the second month's premium. I am told that 2% to 5% of January's enrollments never paid in February, for example.

    Whatever the reason, the real enrollment number will likely be about 20% lower than what the administration finally reports. That means the real enrollment will be closer to 5 million than 6 million.

    But 6 million sounds better than 5 million.

    There are two important pieces of information we need to have before the country can really answer this fundamental question about the way Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform:
    How many people have actually paid and completed their enrollment?
    To what extent have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured––how many of these people who enrolled were previously insured and how many of them were previously uninsured?
    Reporters often ask these questions and the Obama administration says they don't know. And, that's the end of it.

    But these questions are easily answered.

    Every insurance company knows exactly how many people it has enrolled and who paid their premium at the end of every billing period. How else would they be able to process the claims for these people?

    How many people were enrolled and paid for?

    All HHS Secretary Sebelius has to do is write each of the 400 insurance companies selling in the exchanges and ask them for the total number of people enrolled and paid for on the insurance exchanges as of a certain date. She could email each of them on April 1 and ask for their hard enrollment numbers, for example, as of the end of the month of March. Either the feds or the state exchanges communicate with the carriers daily. The carriers would be able to respond in a matter of hours with the data.

    Then, get a pad of paper, a pencil, and a dime store calculator and add up the numbers. By April 5th, we would know the precise answer.

    Then there is the second question: Just how much have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured since Obamacare went into effect? It's just as easy to answer this question.

    We only need ask the carriers for two numbers:
    The number of people they insured (and were paid for) in both the individual and small group markets as of December 31, 2013––the day before Obamacare started covering people.
    The number of people that were insured (and paid for) in both the individual and small group markets on a specific date––March 31, 2014, for example.
    I will suggest that asking for both the small group and individual market numbers is important as people have a tendency to move between the markets, particularly as employers drop coverage and their people go, or don't go, into the exchanges.

    Then subtract one total from the other. We would have an excellent idea of just how many more people, net of any gains and losses, secured private insurance since Obamacare's launch.

    Then people could make their judgments about how well Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform free from all of the spin.

    My conversations with carriers suggest that about half of the enrollments come from the ranks of the previously insured. But that is just anecdotal information. I don't have a hard number. And, why should anyone believe me particularly when the real answer so easy to get?

    Yes, there might be some movement between the large employer market and these other markets and there are a very few carriers not participating in the exchanges. But, I will suggest, to the 90th percentile, we'd have our answer. It would sure be a lot more accurate answer than someone doing a poll involving a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

    Why should the administration make the effort to get this information? They know the answer wouldn't spin as well as saying they have enrolled 6 million people and arguing that millions of previously uninsured people have coverage.

    But the fundamental question is: Did we sign-up enough people to really reduce the ranks of the uninsured and therefore make this new health law worth it?

    The information the country needs to answer that question, and to really judge Obamacare for themselves, is remarkably easy to produce.

    And, the press needs to do its job making sure the people get it.

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    But I constantly hear the tea baggers say big government = more corruption. Are they wrong?
    When it comes to America they are correct. For the record I am not a tea bagger, nor a Republican, nor a Democrat.

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    When it comes to America they are correct. For the record I am not a tea bagger, nor a Republican, nor a Democrat.
    How are they correct when it comes to America?

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    No I do not. But when our boy Bob Laszewski crunches the numbers I'll let you know.

    http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspo...ny-of.html?m=1


    Health insurance reform was long overdue. But did it need to be done the way the architects of the Affordable Care Act did it?

    Obamacare was enacted, and the private health insurance market fundamentally changed, so that we could cover millions of people who previously couldn't get coverage.

    Are enough people getting coverage who didn't have it before to justify the sacrifices the people who were already covered––in the individual, small group, and large employer market––are making or will make?

    I will suggest the country will never really be able to judge how good or how bad Obamacare is until that question is answered.

    Forget the Obama administration's spin over hitting 6 million. Forget all of the opposition spin over Obamacare's failings.

    The country's judgment should and will come down to a simple answer to this simple question.

    Of course, the more than 6 million enrollment the administration recently announced overstates Obamacare's success because this includes enrollments that were never completed since the person never paid the premium. There are lots of reasons why a consumer might not complete the enrollment. The person may have hit the enroll button a number of times and ended up paying only once. It may have been one of the infamous "834" transactions that never made sense and the consumer ended up having to enroll again later. Or, the person might have had second thoughts about the cost/benefit of Obamacare and decided not to move forward.

    Then there were a measurable number of people who paid their first month's premium but never paid the second month's premium. I am told that 2% to 5% of January's enrollments never paid in February, for example.

    Whatever the reason, the real enrollment number will likely be about 20% lower than what the administration finally reports. That means the real enrollment will be closer to 5 million than 6 million.

    But 6 million sounds better than 5 million.

    There are two important pieces of information we need to have before the country can really answer this fundamental question about the way Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform:
    How many people have actually paid and completed their enrollment?
    To what extent have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured––how many of these people who enrolled were previously insured and how many of them were previously uninsured?
    Reporters often ask these questions and the Obama administration says they don't know. And, that's the end of it.

    But these questions are easily answered.

    Every insurance company knows exactly how many people it has enrolled and who paid their premium at the end of every billing period. How else would they be able to process the claims for these people?

    How many people were enrolled and paid for?

    All HHS Secretary Sebelius has to do is write each of the 400 insurance companies selling in the exchanges and ask them for the total number of people enrolled and paid for on the insurance exchanges as of a certain date. She could email each of them on April 1 and ask for their hard enrollment numbers, for example, as of the end of the month of March. Either the feds or the state exchanges communicate with the carriers daily. The carriers would be able to respond in a matter of hours with the data.

    Then, get a pad of paper, a pencil, and a dime store calculator and add up the numbers. By April 5th, we would know the precise answer.

    Then there is the second question: Just how much have we reduced the ranks of the uninsured since Obamacare went into effect? It's just as easy to answer this question.

    We only need ask the carriers for two numbers:
    The number of people they insured (and were paid for) in both the individual and small group markets as of December 31, 2013––the day before Obamacare started covering people.
    The number of people that were insured (and paid for) in both the individual and small group markets on a specific date––March 31, 2014, for example.
    I will suggest that asking for both the small group and individual market numbers is important as people have a tendency to move between the markets, particularly as employers drop coverage and their people go, or don't go, into the exchanges.

    Then subtract one total from the other. We would have an excellent idea of just how many more people, net of any gains and losses, secured private insurance since Obamacare's launch.

    Then people could make their judgments about how well Obamacare accomplished health insurance reform free from all of the spin.

    My conversations with carriers suggest that about half of the enrollments come from the ranks of the previously insured. But that is just anecdotal information. I don't have a hard number. And, why should anyone believe me particularly when the real answer so easy to get?

    Yes, there might be some movement between the large employer market and these other markets and there are a very few carriers not participating in the exchanges. But, I will suggest, to the 90th percentile, we'd have our answer. It would sure be a lot more accurate answer than someone doing a poll involving a few hundred or even a few thousand people.

    Why should the administration make the effort to get this information? They know the answer wouldn't spin as well as saying they have enrolled 6 million people and arguing that millions of previously uninsured people have coverage.

    But the fundamental question is: Did we sign-up enough people to really reduce the ranks of the uninsured and therefore make this new health law worth it?

    The information the country needs to answer that question, and to really judge Obamacare for themselves, is remarkably easy to produce.

    And, the press needs to do its job making sure the people get it.
    Glad you were able to drop the bravado and look to facts for an answer. Keep up the good work!

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    How are they correct when it comes to America?
    Is our government not getting bigger and more corrupt?

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    Is our government not getting bigger and more corrupt?
    It's gotten more corrupt over the last 30 years while Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc. deregulated and made it smaller.

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    Glad you were able to drop the bravado and look to facts for an answer. Keep up the good work!
    Stop touting your 7.1 million figure around and I'll stop making it sound silly with facts.

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    It's gotten more corrupt over the last 30 years while Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc. deregulated and made it smaller.
    I don't really believe it was ever made smaller, just more complex and hidden from the public eye.

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    I don't really believe it was ever made smaller, just more complex and hidden from the public eye.
    So you don't think the tax cuts for the rich, free trade agreements, financial sector deregulation and campaign financing deregulation we've seen are examples of smaller government?

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    Stop touting your 7.1 million figure around and I'll stop making it sound silly with facts.
    I was simply pointing out that it was not registered users, but people who enrolled for coverage.

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    my boy, allen, is going IN on twitter lol








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    Conservatives don't want laws to be like they were in the 1950s when corporations and rich people actually had to pay taxes.

    They want laws from the 1850s

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    Conservatives don't want laws to be like they were in the 1950s when corporations and rich people actually had to pay taxes.

    They want laws from the 1850s
    ^ yep...they're used to all that free field and house pussy...they gonna try and take it one way or another

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    Anyone pretending that the GOP and DNC's desires differ in any major way

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