Will the Spurs resign Patty Mills/Boris Diaw next year?

[superjames1992]

#1 Patty Mills fan checking in.

Im going to think logically. Patty Mills is LOYAL TO THE BONE, I dont think he will move, unless he gets a load $$ at a dumass scrub team. If the spurs were smart, they would resign him for atleast 3.5m a year. He is an integral piece to our backup pg situation in the future, and I think he is the one to replace Tony Parker. Not only that I think Mills is seriously becoming a fan favourite and a team favourite. Look at him the way he cheers his team on. He does everything beyond what a normal nba teammate should do.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230546

"plz have faith in patty mills if he has off shooting"



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BTW, I'm not sure we'll be able to afford Patty next season, tbh. Hope I'm wrong... Boris will be back.

[Mel_13]

are you trying to deny he was injured the whole year? You do know, you can play with injuries, right?

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He was a bench player in San Antonio and played about 21 mpg all three seasons, including the last one where he was hampered with injuries. He was a bench player in Milwaukee and played about 21 mpg and now he's a bench player in Charlotte playing about 21 mpg.

As you pointed out the last time we had a discussion, bench players like Mills (and Neal) are limited. If there was a team that saw Neal as a starter, he would have gotten much more money than 6.5M over 2 years. Leaving San Antonio changed nothing for Neal and it's not likely to change anything for Mills. He'll have the same choice Neal had; risk going on the market and finding out if there is a team that will pay him like a starter. It only takes one team to make a market for one player, so it could happen. Or he could wind up like Neal, playing the same role on vastly inferior teams.

[superjames1992]

anyone else think there is a loyalty connection to san antonio that mills may honor when considering contracts this summer? as long as the spurs give a decent offer, i don't think mills will bail for big money elsewhere like others maybe would.

To some degree, but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks, tbh........

[Raven]

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He was a bench player in San Antonio and played about 21 mpg all three seasons, including the last one where he was hampered with injuries. He was a bench player in Milwaukee and played about 21 mpg and now he's a bench player in Charlotte playing about 21 mpg.

As you pointed out the last time we had a discussion, bench players like Mills (and Neal) are limited. If there was a team that saw Neal as a starter, he would have gotten much more money than 6.5M over 2 years. Leaving San Antonio changed nothing for Neal and it's not likely to change anything for Mills. He'll have the same choice Neal had; risk going on the market and finding out if there is a team that will pay him like a starter. It only takes one team to make a market for one player, so it could happen. Or he could wind up like Neal, playing the same role on vastly inferior teams.

i wasn't really talking about being a starter, just about playing time, the fact that neal got 21 minutes per game with the bobcats (playing great bball in the process btw) is a proof that he can have some playing time when he is healthy. I think patty has a slight edge in market on neal tbh, he is younger and faster and his advanced stats this year are off the charts, so i doubt he won't have a healthy market.

[Mel_13]

i wasn't really talking about being a starter, just about playing time, the fact that neal got 21 minutes per game with the bobcats (playing great bball in the process btw) is a proof that he can have some playing time when he is healthy. I think patty has a slight edge in market on neal tbh, he is younger and faster and his advanced stats this year are off the charts, so i doubt he won't have a healthy market.

Yes, the same playing time he got with San Antonio.

As to Mills, who know? As I said, it only takes one team to see him as an MLE-level player to make testing the market worthwhile. Testing the market does, however, bring significant risk. It didn't really work out for Neal, or Blair for that matter. If the Spurs offer Mills anything around 9M/3yrs, he would be wise to accept it. At least, IMO.

[TheGoldStandard]

Once Duncan retires at the end of the season the spurs will have some cash available to bring back mills and draw and prepare for kawhi next deal

[Chinook]

Diaw is a must-keep unless the team is blown up. Mills is no where near as important, and it really doesn't make sense for him to take up 2015 cap space, especially if Ginobili is gone and the team needs a legit backup PG.

I could totally see the Spurs giving Mills a long-term deal because of his popularity with fans and people within the organization. But it'd be a mistake, in my opinion, unless the Spurs decide to tank post Duncan and want to go full Lakers while they do it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Once Duncan retires at the end of the season the spurs will have some cash available to bring back mills and draw and prepare for kawhi next deal

Duncan won't retire until he's at least 50.

[Mel_13]

Diaw is a must-keep unless the team is blown up. Mills is no where near as important, and it really doesn't make sense for him to take up 2015 cap space, especially if Ginobili is gone and the team needs a legit backup PG.

I could totally see the Spurs giving Mills a long-term deal because of his popularity with fans and people within the organization. But it'd be a mistake, in my opinion, unless the Spurs decide to tank post Duncan and want to go full Lakers while they do it.

Of course, that depends on the price. At up to 3M/yr, it makes sense to me.

[Raven]

Yes, the same playing time he got with San Antonio.

As to Mills, who know? As I said, it only takes one team to see him as an MLE-level player to make testing the market worthwhile. Testing the market does, however, bring significant risk. It didn't really work out for Neal, or Blair for that matter. If the Spurs offer Mills anything around 9M/3yrs, he would be wise to accept it. At least, IMO.

if anything, at least the lakers should give him more money

[Mel_13]

if anything, at least the lakers should give him more money

That would be worse than Neal going to Milwaukee. I hope things work out better for Patty.

[Chinook]

Of course, that depends on the price. At up to 3M/yr, it makes sense to me.

To me, that's too much. From my projections (which mean nothing, obviously), they'll have about $14 Million after re-signing Parker, Leonard, Green and Diaw (plus roster charges). If they intend to go after a max free agent, they're already going to have to get creative and hope for luck. Mills at $3 Million pretty much blows that out the window.

Of course, the team can try to piece together a lineup with non-max players like Alanta and Dallas have. But if they're going to reload, they should attempt to do it right

[Drom John]

Diaw and Mills are currently tied with Tristan Thompson and Deron Williams at 75th in WS.
The 75th-80th highest salaries this year are:
$8,308,500 Ryan Anderson
$8,050,000 Marcus Thornton
$8,000,000 George Hill, O.J. Mayo, Jeff Teague, Tyrus Thomas

[Mel_13]

To me, that's too much. From my projections (which mean nothing, obviously), they'll have about $14 Million after re-signing Parker, Leonard, Green and Diaw (plus roster charges). If they intend to go after a max free agent, they're already going to have to get creative and hope for luck. Mills at $3 Million pretty much blows that out the window.

Of course, the team can try to piece together a lineup with non-max players like Alanta and Dallas have. But if they're going to reload, they should attempt to do it right

Lots of variables there. We'll see. If Patty performs well in the playoffs, 3M/yr seems like a good investment to me. The contract would probably be quite movable if cap space becomes a priority.

[SpursFan86]

I'm not sure about Diaw getting $7-8 million/year. He's playing at that level now, sure, but he's not exactly young. Now, his game doesn't really rely on athleticism much, but how confident are we that he'll still be playing at this high of a level in 2-3 years?

I think $5-6 million a year for Diaw and $3-4 million a year for Mills sounds reasonable. I'd like to keep both of them, but if I had to choose between one or the other, I'd go with Diaw. As others have mentioned, postseason performance will be a factor.

Extending Kawhi for a long-term contract is #1 priority though. How much do y'all think he'll get?

[Mel_13]

Extending Kawhi for a long-term contract is #1 priority though. How much do y'all think he'll get?

Somewhere between 48/4 and the max for 4 years (about 60/4). Batum got 46/4, Kawhi will get more.

[Chinook]

Somewhere between 48/4 and the max for 4 years (about 60/4). Batum got 46/4, Kawhi will get more.

I don't see how the Spurs don't use their five-year extension on Leonard. I think the team is looking at $60-70M/5. That would put Leonard's first-year salary between $10.4 Million and $12.2 Million.

[vander]

Keep Mills and trade parker

[will_spurs]

I'm not sure about Diaw getting $7-8 million/year. He's playing at that level now, sure, but he's not exactly young. Now, his game doesn't really rely on athleticism much, but how confident are we that he'll still be playing at this high of a level in 2-3 years?

The point is not "how confident are we" but "how confident are other teams". Bigs tend to get paid and even overpaid.

[Baam]

The point is not "how confident are we" but "how confident are other teams". Bigs tend to get paid and even overpaid.

Well Boris could have left already for more money, I think he could meet them in the middle again if the conditions are right... The 5M of the MLE could do it if they sell him on championships which is not as easy as it could seem... The perfect way to handle it could be to sign Boris and extend TP at the same time, much easier selling them on giving up money to win with each other than for the whole team (because then things get more complicated not to say uneasy with perturbing factors like Tiago getting 10M)...

[AFBlue]

Keep Mills and trade parker

That would be the worst mistake since we traded Paul George tbqh.

[cd021]

Somewhere between 48/4 and the max for 4 years (about 60/4). Batum got 46/4, Kawhi will get more.

I would think we would extend him to a 5 year deal in the range $60 million. If the Spurs believe he can be a star, locking him up for the next 6 seasons (that includes the final year of rookie deal) on a deal that could potentially be a steal.

[cd021]

The point is not "how confident are we" but "how confident are other teams". Bigs tend to get paid and even overpaid.

I don't Diaw fits into that "overpaid big" category that usually includes either an athletic or really tall big. He's going to be 32 in 12 days and, despite rehabbing his career, probably doesn't get a much better offer from another team. His skill as a passer and a versatile defender along with his ability to score off the dribble, in the post and from deep aren't going to translate as well to another team.

a 3 year, 15 million dollar deal sounds right.

[Mel_13]

I don't see how the Spurs don't use their five-year extension on Leonard. I think the team is looking at $60-70M/5. That would put Leonard's first-year salary between $10.4 Million and $12.2 Million.

I would think we would extend him to a 5 year deal in the range $60 million. If the Spurs believe he can be a star, locking him up for the next 6 seasons (that includes the final year of rookie deal) on a deal that could potentially be a steal.

I agree that the Spurs would love a 60M/5yr deal. It's just a matter of how much in potential earnings that Kawhi is willing to leave on the table in exchange for the additional security.

[chazley]

Keep in mind, Spurs want to preserve every drop of cap space they can for summer of 2015. You will likely have Parker resigned, Kawhi extended (he's likely to be paid the max) and Tiago as the Spurs under contract for that year. Spurs are going to try their hardest to get Diaw on a one-year deal, or possibly a two-year deal with a team option. Mills is likely gone. You can't give a backup PG 3-5 million in a year when you have been hoarding cap space, and he's not taking a one-year deal. Lamarcus Aldridge and Kevin Love will be available that summer - you can bet your ass the Spurs know that and have been planning this team around that fact. Parker ~10m, Kawhi ~16m, Tiago ~8m, Love ~20m

Ginobili retires, Duncan retires, we resign Belinelli as our starting 2-guard

Parker
Belinelli
Kawhi
Kevin Love
Tiago

Contender.